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  •  You only have one poll (4+ / 0-)

    The actual polling on this has some rather wide margins. The CNA numbers are at the higher end, and in fact yours is at the low end. I have seen numbers ranging from 35% (an August 2007 Field Poll here in CA, itself a 12% increase from December 2006) to 42% in an August 2007 poll of CA small businesses (which outpolled the individual mandate plan Arnold offered) to 52% supporting higher taxes for universal health care in an October 2007 LA Times/Bloomberg poll. And finally Harvard had a poll showing Americans are not afraid of the "socialized medicine" bogeyman.

    Most people who discuss health care reform simply assume that the public doesn't want single-payer, and never care to look at the numbers.

    The numbers are favorable. The numbers suggest we should make an all-out push for single-payer.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:20:38 AM PST

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    •  state polls are apples and oranges to national (1+ / 0-)
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      polls, and state reform apples and oranges to national reform, but thanks for posting those.

      There is as other commenters have noted, great wisdom in allowing the states to be the labs testing the different systems.

      I also agree (but didn't comment on) socialized medicine bogeymen.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:39:46 AM PST

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      •  The last two polls (0+ / 0-)

        Were national polls.

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

        by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:57:20 AM PST

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        •  the bloomberg poll looked at universal health (0+ / 0-)

          not single payer.

          The HSPH poll looked at 'socialized medicine' not single payer.

          Single payer has a solid 37% (Kaiser) - 40% (WaPo) base, and gets higher depending on how it is described.

          Still a ways to go with the public. Not unachievable, just not there yet.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:03:00 AM PST

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          •  Point being (1+ / 0-)
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            If we want to understand the whole range of factors shaping the politics of this issue, those other polls DO matter. Majorities for "universal health care" mean that if we played up that frame, a specific single-payer plan would presumably do well.

            The "socialized medicine" claim is frequently used by timid Kossacks to argue against a push for single-payer - but the poll suggests this concern is overblown.

            Finally, I think we're wrong to wish and hope that the polling numbers will look really strong before we start working to make single-payer happen. You'll never see consistent majorities without us taking the initiative and building a single-payer movement that will move those numbers - and therefore move the politicians.

            What the constellation of polling data should suggest is not that single-payer is going to be enacted in January 2009 - but instead that we are very, very well positioned to begin that necessary political movement.

            The only reason we aren't doing that movement is people have convinced themselves that single-payer isn't possible - but the evidence suggests otherwise.

            I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

            by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:11:44 AM PST

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            •  do it in CA (0+ / 0-)

              we'll watch.  ;-)

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:13:03 AM PST

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            •  Thank you, Eugene ... (1+ / 0-)
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              ... your comments give me hope.

              The rest of you "pragmatists" out there ... well, geeze, don't worry about little ol' me and millions like me. We'll just be BANKRUPT and WITHOUT INSURANCE before you decide the "time is now right" to DO SOMETHING.

              •  don't confuse pragmatism with not caring (2+ / 0-)
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                or lack of activism. The polling data is to explain what we're up against, not to tell us what to do or what the outcomes are.

                But the data is the data. and data suggests a better shot at the state level for single payer (for CA), whereas at the national level exploration of different ways to define and achieve universal care (rather than focus on single payer alone) may be in the cards.

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:08:38 AM PST

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