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  •  Agreed on all of it (1+ / 0-)
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    Pat K California

    Personally I think we should take the SCHIP approach to producing those larger Democratic majorities - define the GOP as a party that is standing in the way of solving our health care crisis.

    As long as we're interested in giving people here the information they need to produce a successful movement I'm totally on board with what you are writing. But I think we need to argue strongly against the notion that the American people are not interested or are opposed to single-payer. The numbers are fluid but trending in our direction. We need to capitalize on that momentum, but in a smart way.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:13:59 AM PST

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    •  from a practical perspective (0+ / 0-)

      I think it should be tried in CA, and then move east.
      Let's find out what works and what doesn't, similaer to MA and VT.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:17:19 AM PST

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      •  I don't think that people whose lives are ruined (0+ / 0-)

        by these issues are really in a position to make themselves heard. They drop off the map, they lose their homes, they become so immersed in their problems that they do not have time to participate in online forums and when they do, they don't articulate their problems well in the blogosphere. They have looked into the abyss, so to those who have not experienced it, they sound like Chicken Littles and none of the influential elite listen to them.

        Its like that saying about how first they came for the xyz.. I forget the verses..

        But - its happening - there are a lot of people who are losing their grip on what we have come to see as a normal American life right now. Our dysfunctional healthcare mess is a hue cause of this and its getting worse, quickly, as all the power blocs square off against each other with the hapless human beings in the middle, beseiged from all sides.

        There must be a limit to how much worse it can get.. but nobody knows what it is. I am sure that its much lower than we are at now. Look at history, things often get very bad before change happens, and when it happens it is often violent. That is what democracy is supposed to help us avoid, but if all of the mechanisms that would make that possible become co-opted by the machine, then the long term outlook is not good.

        We need to avoid that at all costs.. which means more than keeping people talking, that wont lead anywhere unless there is more pressure for ACTION and COMMITMENTS.

      •  Is that possible though? (0+ / 0-)

        Individual states may simply not have the financial power or available tax dollars to make this work. Given the national nature of the health care industry, we are likely going to need a national solution.

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

        by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 12:14:49 PM PST

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        •  CA came awfully close (0+ / 0-)

          and with the proper homework, why not?

          As you pointed out at the time, this was a flawed bill, but sets the ground rules for next time.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:33:27 AM PST

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