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  •  They are doing this because of demographics (1+ / 0-)
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    The GOP is trying to prevent our instituting new entitlements NOW precisely BECAUSE we will need them so much MORE in the NEAR future.

    I think the GOP insiders realize, but perhaps many Dems are in denial about the high probability that the level of economic equality we saw in the past will never come back, jobs will keep disappearing, because of new technologies increasing productivity exponentially.

    The GOP wont admit that, either, but their actions show that they know it. Look at their aggressive push to eliminate the estate tax, now, while they still can. (before people realize how incredibly terrible that will be in the future, a situation not unlike that in Britain, in say, Jane Austen's time.. inheritance will be everything..)

    The future in 20 years will be one in which a fraction of the people who need to work now will be able to be employed, businesses will not need the unskilled or even many skilled, most jobs will be extremely specialized and technical. Nomatter how low wages will go (supply and demand) they wont go low enough to be cheaper than silicon.

    Productivity will be as high as it is now or more likely, far higher. The only question being, who will BUY the products of industry, with so few people making money. Will people live off of investments or inheritances? I doubt it, healthcare will strip that money from the middle class - which they should be investing.

    If we were honest about that reality we WOULD be instituting things like single payer, for the long haul..  

    We would not be talking about adding new obligations for large or small businesses to insure workers. That is the cowards way out.

    Plus, requiring large businesses but not small to insure workers would be illegal under the WTO agreement, as written. Its 'discriminatory' against mutinationals, as I understand it.

    •  we are certainly in for a very bumpy ride into (0+ / 0-)

      the future. scary...

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      by tnichlsn on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:35:45 AM PST

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      •  50 years in the future.. (1+ / 0-)
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        The Earth's population will stop growing and start shrinking.. and if we can make it that far.. without destroying ourselves.. wow..

        I think we will start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel in a very many ways even sooner.

        (Really, healthcare SHOULD be about finding SOLUTIONS to problems and making people BETTER for good, not about making money on their sickness and making more as they get sicker and sicker..)

        We should consider how our current system seems to destroy so many good things and turn them into bad.. its absolutely terrifying its capacity for that.

        I guess what I am trying to say is that science and humanity need to figure out a way to focus less on greed and more on goals.. Many people see how important that is. It really transcends politics.. Healthcare is a crucial issue, though, because it has the potential to make or break so many lives..

        Even in the next ten of fifteen years, I think we will almost certainly begin to see technological progress overcome the many problems we have today..

        Energy and aging are two big issues that are much closer to being solved than many people realize..

        We could wake up one day to discover that someone had discovered a way to generate energy cleanly without dangerous byproducts like nuclear fission does.. Or a huge improvement in solar power generation efficiency..

        In healthcare, they have already figured out how to make geneticly engineered mice regrow amputated limbs, and even grow new hearts.. and also figured out how to impart that ability to normal mice.. I am not kidding..

        Really, the world is a wonderful place, one of abundance.. we will just need to change our scarcity mindset to one more appropriate... abundance..

        That is the REAL challenge..

        •  to quote my friend from up above-"Wish I could- (0+ / 0-)

          give 50 mojo's to" Andriamo for your optimism, something I've been in very short supply of lately. I honestly think it is beyond time for "my generation" (and Hillary's) to step back and go quietly into the night and leave your generation to try to sort out the mess we've created or allowed to be created of the country and world. Seems like so many disasters await the generation waiting in the wings to take the reins. Let your generation take charge before we make more of a mess of it all...

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          by tnichlsn on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 12:05:44 PM PST

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          •  I'm not as young as you probably think I am.. (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm in my mid 40s. Have had a lot of diversity among my friends over the years, though. And hung out with a lot of scientists and artists, who tend to think in different terms than a lot of people. They know what's possible, and they often are better at spotting bull**** when they see it. At least thats what I would like to think.

            I'm also, like you, scared. Not as optimistic as I would like. I am just hoping that we make it to that point I was describing. I'd say there's a good chance we won't. More than at any time since the Cold War days.

            Also, I don't think that any one generation knows any more than any other. Each has their good points, though. Some older people can be rigid, but others can be remarkably free of the baggage that comes when we are theoretically 'on our way up'. Some young people can be incredibly good at cutting right to the important aspects of something, but others can be incredibly naive and gullible.

            I think we are all being played off against each other these days. Its a cheap trick. Don't fall for it.

            I guess when I think about politics, my first impulse is fear of fanaticism, extremism. They are the worst.

            I just wish that (all) people in powerful positions, could make an effort to try to put people ahead of their dogmas, is that too much to ask?

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