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  •  socialized medicine is another 'by party' thing (0+ / 0-)

    it doesn't scare, it doesn't block, it's not even an insult to democrats, and for the most part independents.

    Poll Finds Americans Split by Political Party Over Whether Socialized Medicine Better or Worse Than Current System

    BTW, in this context, it is best not to mix "insurance" with "health care", universal or not in either case.

    Not a practical suggestion. In a pure academic realm somewhere in a parallel universe, maybe. Not here, not in this election. People want to know who is covered and what will it cost? That will require discussing health finance, health access and health quality (my preferred split) though it will also require being clear what we are talking about.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 10:42:09 AM PST

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    •  Clarity of thought and expression required (0+ / 0-)

      On the contrary, I am suggesting hard-nosed practicality. Socialized medicine is government-run medicine, as in the UK. There is no serious discussion of such a prospect here. It is a red herring.

      When we allow Republicans to characterize single payer health  insurance as socialized medical care, we not only debase the terms of the argument we cede unncessary ground.

      All the other issues you relate are independent of the discussion of how to get universal insurance coverage, though such coverage will no doubt affect those issues, in the sense that change in any moving part of a machine affects others.

      •  nah (0+ / 0-)

        better to say clarity of politics and human nature required. Lectures on clarity of thought and expression are misplaced.

        We don't allow or disallow discussions of socialized medicine, e.g., they happen regardless of our intent, so it's best to understand the impact, and plan accordingly.

        The topic is going to be health plans and health care, health care prpposals and health care reform. We don't get to define what it is called. Remarkable hubris to think we do.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 11:52:40 AM PST

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