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  •  OK. (7+ / 4-)

    Please understand that you are a fucking idiot.

    Thank you.

    Because I'm tired of some of you: I do not support any candidate.

    by TheBlaz on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:09:47 AM PST

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    •  Wow... (6+ / 0-)

      That's really unkind.

      I tried pretty hard to write a thoughtful post without deliberately insulting people.

      I posted it on this website because in the past, I've greatly enjoyed reading it but have found the recent tone shocking and offensive.

      I was curious to see what kind of reaction I would get -- I guess you summed it up pretty well.

      And you wonder why I have a problem with the Democratic party?

      •  This site (4+ / 0-)

        isn't here so you can post your thoughts on why you'd vote for Nader over Obama.

        It's to elect better and more progressive DEMOCRATS, not some asshole who thinks his ego and his "right to run" trump the effects and aftermath of his running in the election.

        The reaction you got is the one you deserved.

        And actually, I'm not a representative of the Democratic party. I'm sure others would be more willing to spend time to explain to you why you're notion is stupid.

        I'm just tired of wasting time on idiots like you who clearly think their personal principles are so fucking magical and special that they'd willingly cast their vote against the better interested of the ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY.

        So I stand by my comments about you.

        Because I'm tired of some of you: I do not support any candidate.

        by TheBlaz on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:17:19 AM PST

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        •  Nader found Edwards to be very progressive. (2+ / 0-)
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          alwaysquestion, joe shikspack

          Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word.  Your words:

          It's to elect better and more progressive DEMOCRATS,

          Umm,Neither Obama nor Clinton can be called progressives.  They are corporate democrats. The most progressive candidate left the race.  You need to go back and review Nader's willingness to stay out of the race and actually support John Edwards because, in Nader's own words, "He's the most progressive mainstream presidential candidate I've seen in years".

          So Nader doesn't run just to ruin things.  He's bringing up a strong progressive agenda in the hopes that Obama or Hillary might be reminded of it.

          So he's a good thing.  This is a democracy afterall.  I'm still voting for the democratic nominee, but I'll work with others to push Obama or Clinton as hard as possible to hold up the progressive mantle.

          •  I preferred Edwards (2+ / 0-)
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            to Obama and Clinton.

            I voted for Obama in the primary because the coin came up tails instead of heads.

            I'll do what I can to keep whoever wins remembering progressive values.

            I can respect Nader's views while simultaneously disrespecting his decision to put his ego in front of what's best for the country.

            And again, I'm not going to bother being polite to idiots.

            Because I'm tired of some of you: I do not support any candidate.

            by TheBlaz on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:36:06 AM PST

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            •  If you take out the "idiot" and the F word (0+ / 0-)

              There's plenty of substance to your comments.  While my views on this subject are vastly closer to yours than they are to hers, the invective in your first comment takes a lot away from your subsequent points.

              Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

              by RFK Lives on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:16:31 PM PST

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          •  The #1 rated liberal/progressive... (1+ / 0-)
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            Hedwig

            in the Senate is about as far as you can go in a nationional election and win...any further and you will be electing a Republican...

            Clinton - Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

            by dvogel001 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:18:17 PM PST

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          •  So start a campaign.. (0+ / 0-)

            to have Ralphie register as a Democrat and compete in the primary...that is the way we get more progressive Democrats not by Ralphie being Ralphie...

            Clinton - Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

            by dvogel001 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:19:38 PM PST

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      •  Welcome aboard! (7+ / 0-)

        It's just that everyone has been through this Nader bullshit so many times that there is little patience for a thoroughly debunked idea.  It's also obnoxious to imply that people who support the Democratic Party are unaware of the limitations involved.  Most are doing it anyway because it really is the best way to actually accomplish things.  

        Most of us here hate the whole self-involved Nader arrogance with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.  

      •  Many members on this site have a talent (4+ / 0-)

        for turning fence-sitters into republicans or other.  Though actions are talked about and sometimes worked on, reactions are not the strength of this site.  Fence sitters attract the "go fuck yourself" members like no other.  There is an unwritten rule that if someone is sitting on a fence, we mush push them to the other side.

        But in truth, I don't see a problem with continuing to tell any candidate they have to work for the vote.  Feet to fire and all of that.

        •  Her vote is gone. She should go. Period. (0+ / 0-)
          •  Quite the contrary... (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't know what you mean by "her vote is gone," but really, November is still quite a ways off, which means that anything can happen.  Like I said before, I spent almost six years refusing to even consider Hillary before ultimately caucusing for her, so I don't think it's at all impossible that I could be persuaded to support Obama by November.  (I can't imagine a universe in which I'd be persuaded to support McCain.)

            Please don't count me out.

            •  Instead of promoting Ralphie... (0+ / 0-)

              why don't you tell us all about the progressive policies that you are afraid the mainstream Democrats will not pursue...without mentioning Ralphie...we can have a civil debate about that...

              Clinton - Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

              by dvogel001 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:16:43 PM PST

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          •  Probably one vote isn't worth (0+ / 0-)

            fighting for on this site or anywhere else.  So, as we go about our day, let us all slap the shit out of anyone that voted a straight D in 2006 and then take a re-count at the end of the day to get the results of our efforts.

            I have said this before and will say it again....when we attack others, they can't get to the other side fast enough.  In doing so, we give them a reason to push back.  Lurkers read this site, so keep in mind you are not just talking to one writer, but many readers that may just identify with the writer.

            Unless, of course, you feel the Democrats will have votes to spare, and then by all means, attack.  We only have to win by one vote in every state.  I think I may have heard Obama say the same....

      •  You have a problem with the Democratic party? (1+ / 0-)
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        trashablanca

        Or, the Democratic Party has a problem with YOU?

        Do you REALLY think Nader has a snowball's chance in hell of winning? Is "making a statement" worth 4 MORE years of "Stay the Course"?

        We don't HAVE 4 more years to "Stay the Course". Someone here has a sig line that reads, roughly, "Staying the Course, is what sunk the Titanic." Got it?

        Read the site's FAQ before you post a diary (the diary post page makes QUITE CLEAR that you're expected to do so BEFORE posting). This site is about electing Democrats, NOT Ralph Nader, Harold Stassen, or Pat Paulsen.

        Nader is a joke. You're being blasted because you aren't welcome here.

        GWOT - Global War on Terra(-firma) - Bush's War on the Planet.

        by grndrush on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:20:18 AM PST

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      •  It's a mob mentality, Angry Mouse. (0+ / 0-)

        Your post is terrific.

        •  Mob mentality. (1+ / 0-)
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          trashablanca

          By which you mean the mentality that people should adhere to the purpose of the site if they're going to post here...

          Yeah.

          Brilliant characterization.

          Because I'm tired of some of you: I do not support any candidate.

          by TheBlaz on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:26:15 AM PST

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        •  We would just like to follow... (0+ / 0-)

          the Rules

          ....RedState

          would be happy to hear stories of Democrats defecting to Ralphie...please register there and tell them all about it...I bet it even gets recommended...

          Clinton - Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

          by dvogel001 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:21:23 PM PST

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      •  What it sounds like... (7+ / 0-)

        is sour grapes because you are a Clinton supporter who is lashing out because she is losing.  Instead of saying, "I am going to vote for McCain" you come to Daily Kos saying you for the second worst choice, Ralph Nader.

        Really, what has Nader done since 2000?  How has he exactly worked for my vote?  I voted for him in Illinois in 2000, I convinced my grandparents (people who loved then ultimately got sick of Bill Clinton) to vote for him.  After that election, he didn't do a damn thing with his political capital; let the Green Party whither on the vine.  So, I made a very stupid choice.  

        He just sat on the sidelines until 2004, again nothing happened. Disappeared for 4 years, and now has re-emerged.  If changing the system is important to him, why doesn't he run for a different office?  Why is the Presidency the only thing that matters?  

    •  Ah, I love dailykos (0+ / 0-)

      People express themselves so...so...clearly.

      •  I don't like to leave loose ends. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        grndrush, Prince Nekhlyudov

        Because I'm tired of some of you: I do not support any candidate.

        by TheBlaz on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:17:37 AM PST

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      •  Stunning, isnt it (0+ / 0-)

        Its a good thing we can thrive in an honest, open minded environment where debate and dissent is welcome. Hate to be like, well you know, those republicans who don't tolerate any way but theirs and where dissent is met with 'if you don't like it, leave, now F+++ o++'

        It is also good to see people trying to help people make up their minds, and welcoming them into the fold rather than say, shouting insults at them mindlessly and blindly swinging the flamethrower.

        Good days, happy days, indeed.

        Barack Obama + Wesley Clark 'nuff said.

        by Aike on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:29:40 AM PST

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        •  You're confusing (0+ / 0-)

          debate (which happens every freakin' day) with deviation from the site's mission.

          Would you think it's ok for someone to go to a Rottweiler fan club site--the mission of which is to discuss rottweilers and rott-related things--and starts talking about how poodles are better?

          I'm not wasting time being nice to Nader fans who have no concept of history or results of their actions.

          Because I'm tired of some of you: I do not support any candidate.

          by TheBlaz on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:32:55 AM PST

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          •  and that is your choice (0+ / 0-)

            but you are not telling the whole truth.

            you have wasted a lot of time being very angry and insulting when it would have been far less time to just ignore and move on.

            if you feel this is the best way to further the sites mission, go ahead, and I am sure you will, with or without my permission. I do question your methodology. It is exclusive, not inclusive, it is damaging, not healing, it is above all and most importantly, hurtful to both you and them.

            If that is okay with you, fine. I believe it is the wrong way.

            Barack Obama + Wesley Clark 'nuff said.

            by Aike on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:43:50 AM PST

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        •  We can have a debate... (1+ / 0-)
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          Hedwig

          all day about any progressive policy that Ralphie happens to support...just not mention his name or promote his candidacy...which BTW is what Ralphie is supposedly trying to do...move the mainstream candidates left...

          Clinton - Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

          by dvogel001 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:14:17 PM PST

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    •  You've just been given a Hide. (0+ / 0-)

      Your comment was despicable.

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