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  •  I'm not sure if those who perish care (1+ / 0-)
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    if their slayers keep good accounting records or not.

    Lynch mob partipants volunteered, too.

    by cskendrick on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 05:37:09 AM PST

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    •  oh, but the descendents do (0+ / 0-)

      that is exactly what separated the NS program from the old  and current programs of conquest.  It is exactly why no comparisons can yet be made.

      I have no doubt that you can recognize Kant and Hegel in the NS totalitarian system.

      "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 05:45:44 AM PST

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      •  The intellectual pedigree .. (3+ / 0-)
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        This is all nice, but let's cut to the chase - you win the debate. You have a well thought-out detailed analysis of the intellectual underpinnings of industrialized slaughter of a targeted group of undesirables during the Third Reich.

        Stipulated. No one has instituted such a thing or anything comparable, yet.

        But all the pieces of it happening again are readily available, and there are signs it could happen again. The hatred, the political and propaganda infrastructure, the loss of confidence in institutions, the constellation of support amongst various sources of power, a regional concentration, a war to lose and blame, an existential threat legend, xenophobia, chauvinism not a little bit based on shared culture and race.

        So, I'd say decrying the signs is a healthy habit.

        Lynch mob partipants volunteered, too.

        by cskendrick on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 05:54:23 AM PST

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        •  to be sure, CS (0+ / 0-)

          but it hasn't - the Democratic rallies of support give me hope

          thus as you said, "No one has instituted such a thing or anything comparable, yet."

          Let's not lose ourselves in a mire of history and future history.  I looked on the escavation site, then the boy scout in me fled and rather thatn wanting to help an old lady across the street, I wanted to ask "what did you do or NOT do?"  I've seen the results personally.

          There is no way here that GWB even comes close, fantasies of Idi Amin maybe, but certainly not Himmler!

          There is nothing wrong with decrying signs, we all should.

          But if authoritanism comes to the US, it will not be recognizable with jackboots and brownshirts.  It will have completely different objectives and no one will recognize it until it is too late.  It will come with a totally different mask than swastikas and valkyries.

          Whatever is laid in the US will be different, and it may be laid as we speak, but it is not and cannot be National Socialism as that time is past.

          Everyone who looks to the past neglects the present and while they look for hobnailed boots will miss the soft wing-tips.  Hitler is not Bush but something that resembles National Socialism in an incompetant way

          And if people look for brown shirts, they won't fine any, and the tide will overcome them.  GWB is NOT Hitler, and looking for that is overlooking the real danger.

          "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson

          by Jeffersonian Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:04:13 AM PST

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          •  I think hatred is recognizable (0+ / 0-)

            and we know how it comes in this land: with a gun and a bible and a "we'll pray for you" smile.

            Lynch mob partipants volunteered, too.

            by cskendrick on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:51:02 AM PST

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            •  That's the most bigoted statement in this thread. (0+ / 0-)

              How can you level such a generalized and unsubstantiated accusation against a whole class of Americans without considering yourself the voice of intolerance?  You undermine your credibility as a self-proclaimed "progressive" thinker when you let your bigotry show through.  The irony may be over your head, and if that is the case, I feel sorry for you.  

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