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  •  Thanks for some truth, for a change around here. (4+ / 0-)
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    Tom P, roseeriter, Jacob Freeze, PamelaD

    And not just around here but also on the campaign trail.    Obama himself, with his snide "She's likeable enough" and other divisive public statements, is the leader of his "movement" and sets the tone.    S

    Some things that are being documented and will increasingly get play in MSM:

    * The race-baiting travesty that Obama's camp waged against the Clintons is now starting to be reported by several MSM outlets.    

    * The strong-arm tactics of Obama supporters forcing AA superdelegates to change from Clinton to Obama, this is starting to be reported.

    * The aggressive and unethical tactics of Obama supporters at caucuses are starting to amass in databases and shared e-mails around the country.

    People are paying attention, and they will remember this.  

    •  I know I will (3+ / 0-)
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      emal, roseeriter, Jacob Freeze

      my vote is my vote.

      I am Tom P, the gay activist, not TomP, the Edwards supporter. I agree with him on most things, for the record. I support Edwards or Hillary.

      by Tom P on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:14:45 PM PST

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      •  And your HR of my earlier snark comment (0+ / 0-)

        was wholly out of line. If you'd like to explain your rationale for issuing it, I'm all ears.

        Otherwise, I'll regard your HR's to me as essentially hostile and unprovoked. Reign in your temper and leave me alone.

        In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upwardly mobile. --HST

        by Rob Cole on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:50:57 AM PST

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        •  Apparently that request didn't work. (0+ / 0-)

          As you've now HR'd another harmless posting of a published article on an open thread.

          If you continue with this harassment, I'll take the matter to an administrator.

          In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upwardly mobile. --HST

          by Rob Cole on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 07:18:54 AM PST

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    •  They will reap what they sow (3+ / 0-)

      They either don't realize it or don't care, but they will reap the divisive hatred that they're sowing right now. So many here (not all for certain) are wrapped up in the groupthink and encouraged and egged on by fellow supporters they don't realize just how bad it looks to those that disagree with them or to those like myself whose first two choices for the nomination are long gone (Dodd and Edwards)...having said that there's little reflective objectivity and the behavior is appalling. It is far worse than last election cycle...and I'm not so certain time will heal these wounds...because even I feel it this time.

      Calls for calmer cooler less emotion filled commentary are just not being heeded. They forget we are your allies...we're on the same side...we all want to beat republicans in the fall..but apparently that is just not good enough for many.

      I always said I would support the nominee...Support and vote for are one thing, but I'm not so certain how enthusiastically I will be about working for  or financially assisting ( as I have in past elections) to get Senator Obama elected.  I'm not so certain I am thrilled with the many types of people who post here that Senator Obama campaign attracts...I guess I'm not into this whole movement thing if the types of cynical browbeating badgering individuals that are often found in the threads (similar to many responses here) of this site are what the movement consist of...and I know it's not everyone, but it is far far more than I prefer.

      •  They who? (0+ / 0-)

        Oh. "Them"! I gotcha. Yeah, we gotta watch out for "them".

        FWIW, this Jacob Freeze sows a crop that's a lot worse than almost anyone here.

        Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

        by FischFry on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:31:18 PM PST

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        •  Disagree (3+ / 0-)

          The "They" are supporters that hide rate and imo abuse the threads, and stalk people just like Jacob Freeze noted above. Now I don't agree with everything Jacob Freeze writes and he's far from perfect, but that is my opinion and you are free to disagree. I disagree with your characterization of him.

          As far as the "they" I refer to I have other names in my mind too (there's even some Obama supporters with prominent national recognition and work for his campaign that I feel fit into that reaping what they sow category)...there are even a few in this thread that I think fall into that category...there are some at this site who are popular outspoken Obama supporters that even when they shit on the pot and write about it in diary it automatically zooms up the top of the recommended list without any comments in it. OK so I might get a little over the top with that comment but you get the general idea. But, I'm not the type to single out names because it's not my style. And feel free to dismiss me just because I won't name names and take the bait from your question....but as I said it's not my style. You appear all hung up on the "they" instead of my main point. Also perhaps if the comment hits to close to home...well perhaps instead of dismissing it, perhaps instead you might need or want to reflect upon it and do as Meteor Blades ask, remain civil in disagreement and treat others as you'd like to be treated. If it doesn't fit you then please feel free to move on.

    •  Link please (0+ / 0-)

      The aggressive and unethical tactics of Obama supporters at caucuses are starting to amass in databases and shared e-mails around the country.

      Care to back that up with an independent source?

      •  Never will (2+ / 0-)
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        DelRPCV, a wolf raised by boys

        see it's the rumor that counts, kinda like rezko.

        Sarcasm: It beats killing people...

        by Dreggas on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:10:27 PM PST

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      •  Here are two samples from local news articles (0+ / 0-)

        Washington:
        "In my Seattle caucus today, overwhelmingly for Obama, us Hillary supporters were older, and less aggressive than the Obama supporters. We didn’t have a chance against the Obama caucus machine. First, they put 90 Obama supporters right in the middle between Hillary supporters and the undecideds. While they had been asked to move to the side first, they en-mass said “No, put Clinton over there.” I tried to talk about fairness, and democracy but wasn’t heard over the Obama cheers and Clinton character assassination."

        Nevada:
        "Antuna tells a different story. She said she was filling out a voter registration form when the union reps approached her about Obama. When she told them she wasn't sure about caucusing for him, one rep took her registration form, indeed telling her that she couldn't participate Saturday if she wasn't supporting Obama. "

        •  No links? (0+ / 0-)

          Not even a cite.  You must have a lot of confidence in those rumors emails posts on message boards posts by Taylor Marsh "articles."

        •  And I love the Seattle story (1+ / 0-)
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          Basically, the Clinton people, whoere in the minority, were pissed off that the Obama people wouldn't move to the side and give them the choice real estate next to the undecideds.  And from that we're supposed to infer that Obama's latte-drinking Washington supporters behaved "thuggishly."

          •  If they do here, and you know they do. Why (0+ / 0-)

            not do it everywhere.   I have no illusions about your Mr. "Uniter".   And soon no one will.   For example, this from the Chicago Tribune:

            Barack Obama showed his acumen for sharp-elbowed politics early on, according to a report in the Tribune. The 2008 hopeful, famous for his affable and earnest optimism, launched his career in an old-fashioned Chicagoan way, by pushing a former political mentor off a ballot, He won "not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it," the report says. • Alice Palmer, a South-Side Democrat, appointed Obama heir apparent to her state senate seat; when the two found themselves seeking the same nomination, Obama challenged her signatures, successfully purging her, and three other competitors, from the ballot. Remembering the incident, Obama is elegantly evasive: " If you can win, you should win and get to work doing the people's business."

            There's more.  Much more.  Just starting to roll in.  

          •  And BTW here is how Obama gets cross-overs (0+ / 0-)

            by promising them their primary vote for him will get rid of Hillary and will be "free" (no impact on the Republican result).   This from his campaign:

            Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!

            On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton’s (and Bill’s) presidential ambitions once and for all!
            Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama. Even James Carville admits that if Hillary loses Texas, “she’s done!” Republicans can help make this a reality!!! Just think, no more Clintons in the White House!

            Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side.

            Nice tactics.

            •  Well (0+ / 0-)

              It's hard to argue with an unattributed comment.  To get back on topic, I fail to see how this is intimidating anyone at a caucus, even if true.  

              Look, the "caucus thugs" story was something the Clinton people came up with when they were trying to get their legs back under them after Iowa.  If anything, the Clinton campaign was responsible for more of the dirty tricks in Nevada.  

              Then it was an excuse for her failure to sweep the field on Super Tuesday.  After her series of crushing defeats in February primaries, they don't even bother with this illusory excuse anymore.

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