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  •  Nuclear is far less expensive than supposed. (7+ / 0-)

    The busbar costs of nuclear energy are under 2 cents/kwhr in some nuclear power plants - [i]including the cost of so called "waste," the term "waste" being a rather bizarre fantasy.

    As for the "accident scenario" bullshit, I note that the immersion of most of the Southern portion of New York City is a certainty with dangerous fossil fuel waste - about which the anti-nuke cult could not care less.    On the other hand, the measured probability of disaster with nuclear power plants is extraordinarily low.

    (I'm about to hear some pathetic bullshit, I know, about Chernobyl, but I note that the Ukranians do not agree - they plan new nuclear plants.)

    Nuclear power does not need to be risk free to be vastly superior to all other alternatives.   It merely needs to be vastly superior to everything else - which clearly it is.

    I note, with some contempt, that you cite no data whatsoever in your claim and I know from a fact - just reading your tone - that you know neither the chemistry nor the physics of nuclear energy.   I, on the other hand, do.

    •  Recced despite the terrible attitude (3+ / 0-)
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      MarkInSanFran, pgm 01, Stranded Wind

      because there are some insightful points amidst it.

      The true Ben Franklin quote from Poor Richard's Almanack is "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

      by Andy30tx on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:58:35 AM PST

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    •  attitude typical NNadir, points are valid (1+ / 0-)
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      There is a lot of hand flapping over nuclear and NNadir is right on with his assessment here. He is also a quite funny diarist when he takes the time to write, and I enjoy his curmudgeonly approach to things :-)

    •  "vastly superior " - the entire point . n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  'waste = bizarre fantasy' (6+ / 0-)

      Because you say so, doesn't make it so.

      Quizá, podríamos!
      (But it takes more than just a President)

      by shpilk on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:33:11 AM PST

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      •  nuclear 'waste' is a bizarre fantasy (1+ / 0-)
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        MarkInSanFran

         Everything that comes out of a nuclear reactor today that is labeled "waste" can be used as a fuel ... we're real stupid about how we handle stuff, primarily due to concerns over nuclear weapon proliferation.

        Ideally the 0.7% U-235 in uranium should be used to help breed the 99.3% U-238 into plutonium, which is a fine fuel in and of itself. The end products from fission should be small radioisotopes with short half lives. You end up with some not very radioactive stuff that can be turned into big glass "casks" and then any ol' abandoned mine would work nicely as a place to put the stuff.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      •  Nuclear waste is concentrated (1+ / 0-)
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        pgm 01

        Even counted in the thousands of tonnes, it's so concentrated that, for instance, all of France's nuclear waste for the past decade basically fits in one large warehouse.
        All of the US's coal waste for the same period occupies a much larger space, in our atmosphere.

        A "centrist" is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.

        by nicta on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:16:43 AM PST

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    •  Really? (4+ / 0-)

      Does your figure of under 2 cents/kwhr factor in the massive security costs for nuke plants? Does it factor in the billions being spent on long-term storage facilities such as Yucca mountain? What about the very high costs associated with decommissioning and dismantling obsolete nuke plants?

      How many machine gun-toting guards does it take to secure a windmill or a solar panel? How many man-hours are lost getting through security at geothermal plants?

      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

      by drewfromct on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:45:27 AM PST

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    •  mining effects are no fantasy (0+ / 0-)

      An amendment: Do not allow a single US corporation to do oil business in Iraq until a complete withdrawal of American forces takes place.

      by jcrit on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:45:23 AM PST

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    •  What are the true cost of nuclear power (0+ / 0-)

      including the cost of so called "waste," the term "waste" being a rather bizarre fantasy

      Are you denying the existence of nuclear waste?

      As for the "accident scenario" bullshit

      Are you denying that there have been accidents and there is a possibility of others?

      On the other hand, the measured probability of disaster with nuclear power plants is extraordinarily low.

      Why is the private insurance industry unwilling to insure nuclear power plants in the US. Too risky for those who measure risk?

      (I know, about Chernobyl, but I note that the Ukranians do not agree - they plan new nuclear plants.)

      Are you saying that we should base our decisions on what others do rather than on science?

      Nuclear power does not need to be risk free to be vastly superior to all other alternatives.   It merely needs to be vastly superior to everything else - which clearly it is.

      You seem to want to ignore and minimize the risks of nuclear power. I say that we should consider all the risks and costs in deciding on our energy choices.

      I note, with some contempt, that you cite no data whatsoever in your claim and I know from a fact - just reading your tone - that you know neither the chemistry nor the physics of nuclear energy.   I, on the other hand, do.

      In noting your contempt, I will consider the source.

      With all due respect, you appear to me to have poor communication skills. Your use of phrases like "bizarre fantasy" and "pathetic bullshit" make your comment read more like a rant than a response.

      If you know about this topic, please demonstrate that by addressing the issues.

      •  You can begin (0+ / 0-)

        providing numbers, facts, and data that support your speculation any time now.

        We're waiting ...

        "Seems" is just another word for "I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about," but is far more terse.

        Repartee is something we think of twenty-four hours too late.
        -- Mark Twain

        by bryfry on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 02:16:45 PM PST

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    •  The busbar cost of nuke under 2 cents (0+ / 0-)

      is basically true ... because the plants are all paid off, their capital cost is no longer part of the equation.  What would "new plant" costs be?  This is dependent, heavily, on actual construction cost, loan terms, etc ... the "capital" cost portion of the equation (for a US plant) has some uncertainties.

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