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  •  I find all the diaries interesting. It puzzles (1+ / 0-)
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    me a little that so many people appear to find candidates diaries so distressing.

    But I think you have the right attitude Alegebrateacher.  Don't read the diary you don't want to read.

    The way some people talk, reminds me of that funny movie in the 60s, was it "A ClockWork Orange?" by Stanley Kubrik?  

    A futuristic extremely violent juvenile deliquent, was placed in this device that kept his head locked and eyes open,  and he was forced to watch violent films while injected with chemicals as part of a Conservative British operent learning condition experiment.

    If something similar is going on and this is why so many folks are being forced to read all these candidate diaries they don't want to read, I hope folks will stop making them do this.  lol

    But please let's not support censuring diaries.  Fine to advocate an ethos not to rec them to the big board.  But let's keep a free an open environment where people can express their true ideasa and feelings.  

    It's not like not seeing information makes it go away.  I like knowing what other folks are thinking.  

    Rather than think there has been some gigantic trend towards uglier political discourse, or folks are becomingn more opiniated, my theory is that we are just able to see a lot more of what people have been sayingn in bars and private conversations all a long.  And this is fantastic progress, that will accelerate the rate of learning, cultural growth, and improve the quality of our national thinking about politics and everything else.

    As a school teacher Alebra are you not amazed to see hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily reading and writing essays 24 hours a day?  LOL

    Like OMG I can wait to get home so I can do homework!  Is this not every teachers and professors wildest dream?

    And I like reading candidate diaries not just for purient interes.

    The basic sentiment of "know thine enemy" can be traced all the way back to Sun Tzu's The Ancient Art of War.  

    Stick and stone may break my bones but words can never hurt me.  Actually this probably isn't true, but perhaps its an ideal to aspire to.

    Folks don't have to read every dairy. Pick and choose.

    But for those who have special interests, curiousities, or purposes the more information available the better.  

    History is replete with examples of attempts to suppress information having negative consequences.  Mostly for the suppressors.  

    Even through out the cold war, the Soviet Union suppressed and manipulated the information its citizens could see.  But except for the unfortunate period of McCarthism, which is an exception that proves the rule, Americans could go into any public library and check out Das Capital, Mao's Little Red Book, etc.

    Our technological growth rate was much faster, as was our economic growth and culteral progress.

    A tremendous advantave of a free society is we can trust individuals to seek out the information they wish to read, and make their own choices based on what they think is their best interest.  And in a free market, let the best ideas win.

    Those that do not objectively keep chosing the best ideas fall behind.  We have a self-correcting system.

    With hundreds of thousands of readers, we have sufficient diversity that everyone can do what they want.

    Hey algebrateacher, if you want to take a week off from reading candidate diaries great.  I know the feeling, I just took a year and half off.  

    While we are gone, thousands more will pick up the torch and hold down the fort.  

    Now I'm back, largely due to the fact that this is the richest, most diverse, fastest, and deepest source of perspectives that I know of.

    Markos, and the whole first tens of thousands of user here deserve tremendous credit, have earned my appreciation for creating such an open and trusting environment.  I know of no other site where so many can post so much with such lattitude.

    Yet, also, somehow, this site has evolved a subtle and effective systems of keeping the worst hate speech and trolls out.  But fairly.  Not just because your opinion differs with the mainstream sentiment.

    I've only just returned, so I do not know enough about the complaints about the pro-Clinton supportors to have any useful opinion.  I'm saddened by the announced departures.

    And if people have been going into their diaries to harass them, I don't agree with that.

    But if people want to post outrageous candidate diaries, what's the problem with that?  Noone is required to read them.  We should live and let live.  But if you post outrageous stuff, and people come in and challenge you on it, that's part of the process of freedom.

    Freedom of speech works in all direction.

    Anyhow, sorry for the speech algebrateacher your diary just prompted all these thoughts.

    Thanks and enjoy your vacation.


    Helping to bring justice back to the White House, one indictment at a time.

    by HoundDog on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 08:34:57 PM PDT

    •  Vacation? Ah, yes, the week's pause before (1+ / 0-)
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      test-preparation stress.

      Hunter S. Thompson wrote, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." I want to know who has been getting my checks all these years.

      by algebrateacher on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 08:43:38 PM PDT

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    •  I like the sentiment, but I am skeptical (0+ / 0-)

       There are 6 weeks to go to the PA primary. The campaigns can spend most of their timetrading and refuting charges trying to upstage each other to prove one is "better" than the other.
        What complicates their rivalry is Obama is more comfortable cutting across lines and appeal to younger voters who are discovering there are many good things in the Democrats and Obama is a likeable figure to enmulate and support compared to the fossil and failures on the other side.

       Hillary has a great deal of long time historic democratic support and a reservoir of good will from people who regard her as family, as a person who did not desert them when they were in trouble (as her husband) and others when things got difficult.

       She could have retired from politics after her health care task force got slammed and rolled by 100 million dollars of artful lobbying and a comprehensive smear campaign, but she didn't.

       So now we have two strong candidates and the rivalry of personal ambition,the speculation on a career in politics many supporters of each imagine with a victory,and all the rest of the claptrap of individual star politics is once again plaguing and distorting our Democratic Party.

       I found out a musing speculative diary on HRC I posted last summer got 270 responses,far and away many more than any of the other attempts at diarying I have done,some maybe most quite forgettable.

       My point at the time was to evaluate her appeal and strengths and I thought she as the established candidate would ultimately prevail. Probably not correct any more, but if it gets down to a battle of superdelegates behind the scenes, well it could still go her way. It's been done many times that way before.

       But to this point of the diarist: I agree the drama "sturmandrang" can be overdone and destructive.

      We, as Congressman Fazio,and many many other democrats, Rachel Madow, and other supporters we have are urging that John McCain not get six free weeks to funraise, spew imbecilities and garbage on our politics uncheckedlike a sneak thief walk off with the election after the scorched earth burns the ground under the ultimate Dem's Presidential candidate.

       The 2 pols won't even concentrate on McCain and failure of Repubs until after August. That's not right.  They both need to be savaging him, exposing and ridiculing his extremist conservative fake neocon views each and every day.Make GWB come to his defense and let the two failures reinforce that image in America's mind.

      Don't waste time energy, effort sliming and trading petty charges about whose Presidential campaign suit will fit better and outshine the other. The list of recommended diaries that have HRC or SHO in them should be avoided. They are toxic, and will be so until the nominee is named.

        I have a proposal: Do a straw poll after the Florida/Michigan votes problems are resolved (around June 3?) and if there are enough to put one candidate to a win, announce it and don't wait until August.

      www no, The Economic Populist. Ignorance is Blitz, not Bliss

      by Pete Rock on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13:37 PM PDT

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