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  •  Rules are Rules (0+ / 0-)

    And yet if the Superdelegates go against THE PEOPLE there's going to be huge backlash.

    If Clinton legitimately wins (pledged delegates) I'm going to pinch my nose and vote for her. I'll be pinching my nose at the tactics, like the Karl Rove style FEAR commercial "It's 3 AM, and your children are asleep! The phone rings..." Give me a BREAK. I wanted to throw up when I saw that.

    If it's GIVEN to her by the "super" delegates I'm staying out of the election. I just decided that.

    Also, the media is NOT anti-Clinton. She just lost 11 states in a row. OF COURSE they're going to be analyzing why... and have long discussions about what her campaign is doing wrong. If the situation was reversed the media would sound anti-Obama. "Is it his lack of experience? Is he too passive?" Etc.  

    Lil' Bush: "We can't have a black man in the Whitehouse begging for change!"

    by USArmyParatrooper on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:49:36 PM PST

    •  Tonight new poll say 67% of Democrats want her to (0+ / 0-)

      stay in EVEN if she loses Texas or Ohio. How about THOSE people?

    •  Why the party needs allt 7 kinds of delegates (0+ / 0-)

      They are representative of the total party, both the few million Democrats who voted in the primaries, and also the tens of millions of Democrats who willl not vote at all until the General Election.

       Each delegate at the convention has one vote in the State Delegation.  The state's total vote is announced to the party.  Individual votes are not announced or determined.  They are private. Some delegates represent people whose votes have been counted in the primary.Other delegates are selected because they have won in a General Election and have been voted in by Democrats including the many more party members  who would not vote in a primary!

      Superdelegates are an effort to make sure that the people who voted in the primary don't make the people who will vote in the general too "unimportant" to be represented in the selection of the party's nominee.

       Most Superdelegates become automatic delegates to the nominating convention because they have been elected by the majority of Democrats who vote in the General Elections. And that majority of Democrats have given them the power  to represent their interests.

      These Super or automatic delegates already have the voter's proxy before the primary even happens and they represent, let's say, the four million Democrats who will vote in November, while a pledged delegate represents some of the 23,000 Democrats who voted in the caucus. Let's see. 26 pledged deldgates represent 23.000 voters and 7 automatic delegates represent 4 million voters. And the Obama people want the four million disenfranchised in the nomination process?

      Democrats have won two general elections for President in the last 32 years.  We lost to a party that had way less members than ours.  We lost all of those elections, fraud excepted, because Democrats in the whole party did not vote for the person chosen by the primary activists.  

      The primaries did not produce a person who appealed to the'rank and file' Democrats' idea of a President as well as the Republican running did.  So they did not support the primaries'choice and the party lost...all down the ticket, eventually.

      Bill Clinton said that if we ever want to have the  power to make the changes we want, we have to get into power.

      If Democrats want to get into power, we have to appeal to the whole party so they will vote us in. The Republicans thought him so dangerous that they tried to actually destroy him.

      So you can rail at the observation and put it down, but you can't make it not true.  Bill Clinton is the only Democrat who won the general election for President in the last 30 years.  He knew enough about how to do it to be the only one to get it done. Maybe he can teach us something.

      People who have looked at the dynamics of these last three decades are suggesting that McCain will win this time by the same mechanism that got us Reagan and the Bushes...unless the primaries produce a candidate who can appeal to the rank and file Democrat sho comes out to vote in the general.

      (The numbers who vote in primaries are way smaller than in the general and usually include the most active and enthusiastic members of the party, as well as some mischief makers who cross over to try help the party pick an unelectable candidate.

      Even though primary voters tend to be passionate or determined, they are not the whole party.  Tens of   millions who never bother with primaries still consider themselves Democrats and want to vote for the Democrat in November.)

      One of the reasons that superdelegates exist is to protect the party from repeating the failures of the las thirty years.  Party leaders were astonished that Reagan won and that Democrats voted him in.

      They determined that the primary process did not represent the whole party, but the most liberal wing of it who were willing to vote in a nominee that the  whole party could not support.

      So their job was to save the chance for a Democrat victory from the passions of the left, and when needed, to vote against the winner of the primary popular vote and help the party choose someone the whole party could get behind.  

      The superdelegates in that instance were the representatives of the non-primary Democratic party millions.

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