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  •  This argument doesn't work for me. (1+ / 0-)
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    I want to see single-payer health care, but the "tax-payer subsidized healthcare for ... Congress" argument doesn't make sense to me.

    Their insurance seems more like good employer based insurance than an unfair taxpayer handout. It's a good job and it comes with good benefits. That's the way American healthcare works now. That needs to change, but I don't see this line of attack working or being fair.

    Their salaries are taxpayer subsidized too. Shall we demand those be taken away since the government doesn't pay everyone?

    •  absolutely not jeff, . . . (6+ / 0-)

      they get their salaries, not taxpayer subsidized healthcare.

      They should be required to go into the individual health insurance market. Just like I do.

      •  Should I? (0+ / 0-)
        I get my insurance through my job. They get theirs through their job. What's the difference?

        They get better insurance, but they get a better salary and other benefits too. It's paid for by the taxpayer, just like their salary and other benefits, because they are government employees.

        That's the way the American health care "system" is supposed to work. You get insurance through your employer. Why should Congress be different?

        •  I understand your point, jeff . . . (4+ / 0-)
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          as a worker in the private sector, you are not in a position to deny affordable healthcare to 300 million Americans, while accepting it for yourself.

          This discussion would be moot, if the American people had what citizens of all the other Western civilized nations take for granted.

          •  What Americans Really Lack (4+ / 0-)
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            m00nchild, howd, nyceve, Brooke In Seattle

            Compared to the citizens of all the other Western civilized nations is political sophistication. We are without a doubt the most politically backwards people in the western world. Relentlessly propagandized and double-talked to death, the American people frankly don't know their asses from holes in the ground.

            Some people say not to worry about the air Some people don't know shit about the... Air...

            by Dave925 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 08:05:39 AM PST

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        •  it shouldn't be, but their "employer" is us- (2+ / 0-)
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          nyceve, Brooke In Seattle

          How many employers get worse health care than their employees?

          Slightly out of whack, no?

        •  sorry, not a better salary (0+ / 0-)

          Salaries for most federal employees, especially those in technical fields, are not better than in private industry. There are other benefits to working for the gov, but salary is definately not one of them.

          •  I'll grant that for most federal employees, (0+ / 0-)
            but we're talking Congresscritters here.

            They make quite a bit more than I do. Not a lot by the standards of upper level management, but well out of the working class level.

            •  It appears that way (0+ / 0-)

              but in reality, consider other things. Congresscritters work longer hours than most people and must maintain two residences.

              Some of them are independently wealthy, but that's not a reason to not have a baseline salary. I do not begrudge them their seemingly high salary.

              •  Me neither (0+ / 0-)
                Most of them could make more, probably much more, in the private sector.

                My only point in bringing it up originally was that they have a good job and like most good jobs it comes with a good salary and benefits, including good health care.

      •  There are dozens of Congresscritters (1+ / 0-)
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        who would be glad to buy in the individual market if others had to as well.

        These Congresscritters, like elephants breaking tree limbs for a few leaves, are fond of making a mess of things.

        All effective care for all needs to be the goal.

      •  The federal employee's salary (0+ / 0-)

        is FAR less than private industry. If federal employees (including elected ones) had to go into the individual health insurance market, the salaries of these employees would have to increase to cover it. The taxpayers would in effect be paying the same amount. Benefits are part of salary, and the federal employees salary is lower specifically because it includes health insurance.

        I guess what I'm trying to say is that for federal employees, healthcare is salary.

    •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

      Insurance and salaries are far less the problem than are big-money lobbying interests that influence every kind of legislation.

      I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

      by beemerr90s on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:45:12 AM PST

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