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  •  I absolutely agree edge! (0+ / 0-)

    An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity.

    by wishingwell on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:48:44 PM PST

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    •  Obama needs Clinton like he needs... (2+ / 0-)
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      oscarsmom, MAORCA

      a hole in his head. She brings her negatives with her and she adds nothing to the table. She continues the Clinton hatred coalition of the GOP which could easily be picked off by a much more intelligently thought out VP for Obama.

      There is no rationale to include Clinton on the ticket.

      •  she brings (1+ / 0-)
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        the 20%, most older Democrats in Florida/Pennsylvania who don't trust or like him.

        •  She brings nothing (2+ / 0-)
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          pletzs, MAORCA

          The only thing she brings is the hate Clinton GOP.

          She ruins what could be astronomical gains in congress, and what could be a flawless execution of a 50 state strategy provided we pick a strategic VP nominee like Webb, and not a boneheaded nominee with no purpose like Clinton.

          Please think it out. Think of the party and not of your ego.

          •  Do you talk to her voters? (0+ / 0-)

            They do not like Obama. He has a real problem with Clinton Democrats. You cannot nominate a person relying on independents who are easily convinced to switch sides. McCain will go after them, and if he wins them and Obama can't get her supporters, he'll lose in a landslide.

            Why can't anyone supporting him just go out and talk to a few Hillary supporters? Maybe you can change a mind or two. Maybe if you had, this would've been over by now.

        •  Yes, and she also apparently... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...really knows how to turn out the Latino vote. I was impressed in Texas. If she were able to help Obama do the same thing in November it would bring us Cornyn's seat.

          I also notice by looking at these polls that Hillary seems to have an area of relative strength in exactly the area Obama is weakest-- the middle of the country, AR-OK-TN-WV-KY. I don't expect that as the VP candidate she would help Obama actually win any of those states except AR, but since she and Bill seem to be a lot more popular in those red states than Obama is perhaps they could do some extra campaigning there and pick up the coattails slack in this one region where Obama doesn't seem to be much of an asset.

          Between Obama and the Clintons, I don't think there's one downticket race in the country that one or the other of them couldn't help out!

      •  I did not support her in the primary, but (2+ / 0-)
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        she does add all those millions of votes that have been going for her. If she was as weak as many people have been claiming she never would have made it this far. Now, I have plenty of issues with her, and think other VP choices would be better, but there are an awfully lot of people who would vote for her in a VP slot, negatives or not. Can you imagine that Electoral college map that was on the front page if they combined the states one or the other is thought would win? I generally don't like the EC, or the whole damn silly "red v. blue" thing, but the US map would be very very blue if they managed to pull off all they could pull off.

        I honestly would rather a Obama/Edwards / Feingold ticket, but I can see the wisdom of a O/C ticket. I honestly don't think it will happen though.

        As likely as flying monkeys out my butt

        by edgeways on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:09:05 PM PST

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        •  Good point (1+ / 0-)
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          Othniel

          If she was as weak as many people have been claiming she never would have made it this far.

          Which is the point I've been making all along. If the momentum and strength was soley with obama, this would've ended five weeks ago.

          Rhode Island had record turnout, lots of new voters, many of them went to her. He does better with new voters and with momentum, but she doesn't do so bad either.

          •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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            Look, I'm a BHO supporter, but if he was solely responsible for all the new voters and the record turnout, he'd never lose a primary.

            People on here continue to undermine the breadth and depth of support that Clinton has--I don't think it's enough support to win her the nomination, but it is real.

            I think people conflate the massive, massive organizational failures of the Clinton campaign with some large scale repudiation of Clinton the candidate. I'm not saying BHO wouldn't have won 11 in a row even had Hillary been able to fully contest each state, but the margins would have been a great deal closer. In general, in the states where both full out compete, they run about evenly.

            Now it's no one's fault but HRC's that either because of poor strategy/organizing/fundraising, shr's failed to even compete in 15-20 states. The way she's run her campiagn is an awful indictment of her whole argument of competence. But it still doesn't mean that there isn't a great deal of hardcore, even diehard Hillary support outside of Kos-land.

            •  Not only that... (0+ / 0-)

              ...but visually speaking, if you look at those two maps, it's clear that her regional bases of support complement his in some really nice ways. Add up the states that EITHER candidate wins in these polls and you'd have a landslide of epic proportions!

        •  Obama/Webb ticket is the truth (1+ / 0-)
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          MAORCA

          UNBEATABLE

          •  Yep, nothing like (1+ / 0-)
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            tjekanefir

            the guy who decided telecoms should have immunity, right?

            •  Yeah, Webb really is not our best choice here (0+ / 0-)

              A) We really need him in the Senate

              B) He's an ex-Republican who is too conservative for the national podium IMHO. At least Hillary voted against FISA immunity. Don't get me wrong, I'm cool with Webb as a Senator from Virginia-- his voice is a really important one and I don't think every senator has to agree with me on everything. But for VP, I don't think a move further to the right is what's needed here. If not Hillary, then let's pick somebody MORE progressive than her.

          •  Perhaps, but it is good to have him in congress, (0+ / 0-)

            that would be a hard seat to keep democrat in a snap race to fill it (or so I think).

            As likely as flying monkeys out my butt

            by edgeways on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:41:36 PM PST

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