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  •  Exactly-- the differences between them (0+ / 0-)

    are philosophical and structural.  He's bottom-up, she's top-down, and if he partners with her the top-down framework will win, negating his appeal and promise.

    I'm also getting horribly frustrated by the well-their-policies-are-so-similar nattering, because there's a lot more to this than can be neatly arranged in bullet-pointed lists.  But that's a rant for another day.

    "Conservative principles" are marketing props used by the Conservative Movement to achieve political power, not actual beliefs. -Glenn Greenwald

    by latts on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 11:29:26 PM PST

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    •  Obama's not bottom-up, he's just charismatic (0+ / 0-)

      Let's not get carried away.  

      Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

      by Asak on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 12:29:56 AM PST

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      •  Interested by your take on this (0+ / 0-)

        Not sure where (physically) you're coming from and your level of participation in the Obama campaign. Feels v. bottom up to me in comparison with Clinton. However, I'd like to know more about your take on it.

        Not trying to be confrontational. I'm really trying to understand what people I disagree with think.

        As for "just charismatic," well, from my vantage point, there's no "just" charismatic after Kerry and pre-loss Gore.

        •  I subscribe to the bottom up/top down theory (1+ / 0-)
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          Neon Vincent

          My "feel" on this is that the Clinton campaign is paying more canvassers than Obama is paying. Which plays into the whole 50 state thing.

          Obama does seem to running a post Dean Scream campaign when it comes to field operataions, this is the age of Carol Shea Porter who won on NH-1 in '06. She spent 200k, got outspent by 5 to one, but beat the republican incumbant thru 650 volunteers knocking on doors every weekend.

          I see the Clinton campaign as running a 1990's style campaign, but as of Deans Scream, everything the Clintons learned in the 1990's became obsolete.

          "Just charismatic," well Bill Clinton is the best Extemporaneous speaker on the planet & very charismatic. But that hasn't translated into "Boots on the ground" as least compared to the Obama campaign. It could be that the difference is the bottom up mentality, the organizer in me says yes it is.

          Roger Fox
          Essex County Coordinator
          Tom Wyka for Congress

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 08:41:13 AM PST

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