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  •  Who's Threatening to Vote McCain? (3+ / 0-)
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    madgranny, Pris from LA, WSComn

    I've seen people threaten not to vote for Clinton if she's the nominee (fat chance). But who has threatened to vote for McCain?

    The only one who seems to like McCain more than their second favorite Democrat is Hillary Clinton.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:32:44 PM PDT

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    •  you obviously haven't been around this blog (3+ / 0-)
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      barbwires, Pris from LA, RenMin

      and there are too many people who are praising McCain's integrity over Hillary, saying he'd make a better President. And not voting for Hillary IF SHE IS THE NOMINEE is tantamount to voting for McCain, because we need a popular vote win to get anything done, and the GOP must not beat our turnout.

      Hillary is just trying to win. What would you expect a politician to do? Just let her opponent beat her because he is winning small states who delegate totals Obama gets still let her in the race? ALL politicians want to win at any cost, if they can win. Romney woulda kept going if he were in Hill's position, as would Obama if were he.

      If people here wanna make a statement if Hillary is the nominee, they should write in a liberal VP so in case she should not be President, someone they like can get it. But we need to end the GOP monopoly in the White House, and that entails voting for the Dem nominee, EVEN if it is Hillary Clinton, which a lot here don't want, but its damn well better than John McCain.

      •  Links please... (1+ / 0-)
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        DocGonzo

        I don't read everyday, but I do read enough to get the general drift, and I haven't seen that at all.  
        Please give us some links, because that's an arguement I'd like to get involved in.
        Vote for McCain?  Not likely from my camp.

        Si Se Puede Cambiar - Andres Useche

        by WSComn on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:45:13 PM PDT

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        •  here's one for ya (3+ / 0-)
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          DocGonzo, Pris from LA, RenMin

          http://www.dailykos.com/... that is our problem. That guy says he would take him over Hillary if she is nominated, and it is troubling.

          I also started a diary about voting for the Democrat http://www.dailykos.com/... and there were actually people who voted for McCain in it, and tried to argue he'd be better than Hillary.

          •  Not Really Conclusive (1+ / 0-)
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            wishingwell

            You've got one person saying they'll vote for McCain (who probably won't, on the "lying to get votes" disqualification grounds). And in your diary, you've got 3 anonymous votes for McCain - while there are plenty of actual Republicans reading this site and voting in its polls.

            Your complaint is real. But I still don't see that it's anywhere near the magnitude that you're talking about. If it's real, it seems to be a pretty small, low priority problem. And, since people will say such things now in anger but not actually do them when Election Day comes around, I'm even less worried about its effect.

            What I do worry about is what people are complaining is turning them off to Clinton, regardless of how they express their distaste. Clinton and every other Democrat should make that a high priority, because it really is doing damage to Democratic chances in the Fall.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:12:29 PM PDT

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            •  Lots have said this (1+ / 0-)
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              wishingwell

              And no, I'm not going to go to the effort of documenting it -- you can do a search as well as I can.  But anyone who's been reading Kos this election season has seen far too much of this self-destructive whining behavior.

              And yes, I'm for Obama, and yes, after liking Clinton I have recently been dismayed by her scorched earth attacks on Obama, which simply play into McCain's hands.

              But even so, I'd certainly vote for her over McCain, or any other Republican for that matter, and anyone who wouldn't should be ashamed.

              "At least the war on the environment is going well."

              by RenMin on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:26:55 PM PDT

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              •  "Some People Say..." (1+ / 0-)
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                WSComn

                Sorry, I don't accept assertions, especially counterintuitive ones that also defy my own experience, unless they're backed up with actual cited facts.

                If it's too much trouble to back up such an argument, you don't have the right to make it. Or at least not to pretend it's actually an argument, rather than an assertion.

                "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:46:36 PM PDT

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          •  One diary? (2+ / 0-)
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            And you did notice it was tagged "troll diary," didn't you? Therefore, the mass opinion of this community is that he was out of line. You can always find a couple of crazy blowhards to say anything.

            Look, I get that Hillary supporters are feeling a mite desperate but making sweeping claims that don't hold up comes across like whining. And saying it's ok to do ANYTHING to win, even something that damages your OWN chances of winning in November (as touting McCain's "commander in chief" bonafides does to HIllary) as well as your whole party, is just simply not true. Some "anythings'" are stupid and counterproductive. Promoting John McCain as better than the likely nominee of your own party is one of those things.

            We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

            by anastasia p on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:19:46 PM PDT

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      •  BUT Hillary's not going to be the nominee (2+ / 0-)
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        wishingwell, RenMin

        No way she closes the gap any, at all, even just a little.

        Am I wrong?

        Ready to Xerox on Day One.

        by tmeyer on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:46:07 PM PDT

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        •  Don't tell Hillary (2+ / 0-)
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          madgranny, RenMin

          So far most of her surrogates are pushing the idea that Obama is not qualified for the job; I have not seen her explain how she will beat McCain.  

          •  Gov. Rendell wasn't so bad this morning on (3+ / 0-)
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            wishingwell, RenMin, paintitblue

            Meet the Press.  Didn't take the bait to make any statement about Sen. Obama not being qualified, and said he'd "ethusiastically endorse" Barack Obama if he's the nominee.

            In the Obama campaign, it's the surrogates that go negative, in Clinton's camp it's the candidate!

            Ready to Xerox on Day One.

            by tmeyer on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:00:55 PM PDT

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          •  here's how (0+ / 0-)

            she will win all the blue 2004 states plus New Mexico with its Latinos, she will win Arkansas, which will put her at 266, and pretty much most other states would put her over the top. We've now seen her do well in a demographic Dems have not done well in : the white working class, exhibit A Ohio. If she were to win Iowa plus AK, NM and 2004 states, she has exactly 270 electoral votes. She doesn't even need Iowa if she carries Ohio, as her husband did. She also has West Virginia possibly, as Bill carried it twice. She would be more likely in Iowa than McCain because tho Bill implemented NAFTA, she's now flip flopped, McCain still supports it. She has an electoral college edge. We know Obama can also win all the 04 states, giving him 252 EVs, but can he get NM Latinos, considering how unpopular he is with them? Will the Reagan Dems non-blue states turn their states blue for him? He can't get Arkansas, Hillary will. He may have trouble in Ohio, considering his poor showing there. Hillary has the white voter edge in the swing states that we need to carry, both have the 04 states in the bag tho.

            •  Here's how what? (3+ / 0-)
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              She won't be the nominee.  Survey USA just did all the work on who'd win what anyway - came out yesterday.  

              Ready to Xerox on Day One.

              by tmeyer on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:14:35 PM PDT

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              •  thats a blatantly biased poll for Obama (1+ / 0-)
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                which forgets that there are margins of error, and it makes it look great for Obama and bad for Clinton. I don't think either will win a 2004 state. its about who gains a 1996 state as well.

                •  Where's the blatant bias? (1+ / 0-)
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                  wishingwell

                  It's a poll, of course there's margin of error, who says there isn't.  M.O.E. goes BOTH ways.  But where's the bias.  You can't just say there's blatant bias just because Sen. Obama comes out better than Hillary.

                  If anything, the SUSA electoral map poll is backed up by almost every head-to-head Obama/McCain / Clinton/McCain combo poll.

                  Blatant bias?  "Makes it look great for Obama" how exactly?

                  And what year state was Virginia anyway?

                  Ready to Xerox on Day One.

                  by tmeyer on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:51:37 PM PDT

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            •  Just because Bill carried W VA doesn't mean (2+ / 0-)
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              Hillary will.

              Not only have times changed, but the cultural issues cut far heavier against her than agains him.  I don't like it either, but it's reality.

              "At least the war on the environment is going well."

              by RenMin on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:30:26 PM PDT

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