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  •  well that was compelling (0+ / 0-)

    I can just see the ticker tape of the number of Clinton supporters you grabbed with that one...

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    Bueller... Bueller... Bueller...

    Hey, props.  Next time try not being so righteous and condescending.  I have at least limited success with that.

    •  If They're Still Supporting Her (1+ / 0-)
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      then perhaps they aren't thinking things through very well. She can't overtake him in pledged delegates - end of story. She can only hope to squeak by through superdelegate nullification of the primary votes - and that will rip the party apart. She has also expressed that John McCain is better suited to be President than Senator Obama. She voted to support Bush in Iraq.

      And - it was the diarist who started in with the cult horseshit. I somehow don't think many Obama supporters are coming over to her side when she writes a misleading diary like this and then chirps about cults.

      Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

      by dpc on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:04:04 PM PST

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      •  The fat lady ain't sung yet. (1+ / 0-)
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        Gee, last week it was all, "Hillary should just drop out.  She can't win another primary."

        She's not listening to that defeatism, and I'm glad she's not.

        Carolyn Kay
        MakeThemAccountable.com

        •  OK (1+ / 0-)
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          Nice revisionist history. There wasn't a soul in the world saying that she wouldn't win another primary. Three weeks ago she was up 15-20% in Texas and Ohio. She lost Texas and Obama managed a solid 44% in Ohio. So stick with her through thin and thin.

          Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

          by dpc on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:36:03 PM PST

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          •  Jonathan Alter of Newsweek ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... told her to drop out BEFORE March 4.  Brent Budowsky and Paul Rogat Loeb, among others, were salivating over what they thought would be her demolition on that day.

            Carolyn Kay
            MakeThemAccountable.com

            •  I Think Alter Was Right (0+ / 0-)

              After this is all through she may have wished that she had quit.

              Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

              by dpc on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 04:01:12 PM PST

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              •  Why would that be? (0+ / 0-)

                She's fighting hard, and Obama's fighting hard.  There's no shame in trying your damnedest to do something you really want to do.

                I promise you that if the situation were reversed, I wouldn't be telling you your candidate should drop out, or he might have wished he would quit.

                Please think before you write this kind of stuff.  If it works turned around, then say it.  If it doesn't, then don't.

                Carolyn Kay
                MakeThemAccountable.com

      •  misleading? (0+ / 0-)

        I mean, you may not like what it has to say but what about it is misleading?  The main thrust was quotes from Obama campaign advisors.  Nothing misleading about that.  If the one advisor supports telco immunity, fine.  Not misleading, just stating a position.  Ditto on the Power comment.

        Now, onto the McCain flap.  Yeah, messed up and uncalled for - pretty low tactics.  I don't think that's what she actually said, but that's mostly immaterial because that's the idea she wanted to convey.  I don't believe that she actually thinks that, or that when she finally concedes (as seems increasingly likely) she'll make a ditch to throw her supporters to McCain.  If she does such a thing that'll be my last straw.

        She voted to support Bush in Iraq.... this comment is going to take as long as a diary, but here goes...

        It's very easy right for everyone to cast judgment on these types of votes.  Does anyone remember at all how politically toxic it was to criticize the administration in '02 and '03?  And you wanted this from the Senator from New York post 9/11?

        I remember attending school at the University of Idaho at that time, and in Oct '02 feeling the war drums beating (I can proudly say that I was against the war before it started).  The most ridiculous assertions were scribbled on the sidewalk leading up the administration building - linking Saddam to Al Qaeda and 9/11 mostly.  And I remember thinking, if this ignorant uninformed crap was being disseminated on the campus of an institution of higher learning, where both information and liberal views should be readily available, what was going on elsewhere?  And it happened there - yet another something I don't hear a lot about anymore - broad, sweeping detentions, dragnets (this guy - who ended up being deported.. notice how the FBI official is quoted as saying "not a shred of evidence that convinces me he's not a terrorist" - was picked up in a pre-dawn raid.. little known outside the community is he was not the only person they tried to get.  The other, or others, I don't remember anymore, got ahold of their lawyers too fast)...

        So yeah - our caucus as a whole can reel in the failure of preventing war with Iraq.  Fair enough, I agree.  We ask our politicians to stand up for what we believe in, for what is right, even when it's not popular.  Just ask Mr. 30% and the paleocons re: abortion and gay rights.  No problems there standing the the way of majority opinion.  Still, the matter is more difficult to judge, I think, in the course of a war - and in point of fact the war was supported by about the same number of people who now support the S-CHIP expansion, on which we're now claiming a mandate.

        Just some thoughts.  Not intended as a defense (because the vote is still indefensible), just some perspective.

        Oh, and accusing the Hillbots of "not thinking it through" i.e., being somehow logically or intellectually inferior, misinformed, or more broadly and simply stupid, is as offensive as calling the (and here I forget the insult de jure for Obama supporters) cultists.

        Again, not a defense... just some thoughts.

        •  "Not Thinking It Through" (1+ / 0-)
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          seemed to me far better than "hell-bent on voter nullification and destruction of party".

          Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

          by dpc on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:46:22 PM PST

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