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  •  clearly you missed the point (0+ / 0-)

    so I'll simplify:

    If Harper says the sky is blue, it's still true.  You might look twice, but still true. Not dependent on the source.

    So, just because Harper says something, and he has a history of lying, doesn't mean he's lying.  I'm not saying that you should trust what he says (certainly, based on history you should be suspicious), but dismissing it out of hand without proof isn't rational either.

    •  No, I'll presume it's a lie... (0+ / 0-)

      ... until it's proven otherwise.

      That's what one must do with pathological liars.

      •  this from (0+ / 0-)

        the "hope not cynicism" crowd.

        one "must'nt" do anything, ever.  one chooses exactly how one responds, or deals.  all you're doing now is making an assumption based on your personal feelings and previous experience.  probably not wholesale wrong, but certainly it doesn't leave a whole lot of space for the possibility they are telling the truth.

        which probably happens at least sometimes.

    •  You're right! (0+ / 0-)

      I did not respond to your point. I'm glad that you did so yourself in your reply above by bringing up the notion of trust.

      For that's what it's all about in this situation. We do not know what happened in the case of the NAFTA scandal. What we do know is that somebody said that Ian Brodie brought up Clinton's name, and that was confirmed by more than one person. Stephen Harper, known to be a liar, then said that no such thing happened. Contrary to you, perhaps, I am dismissing Harper until proven wrong. And until then, questions about any motivation he may have to cover up Clinton's involvement (if any) will crop up.

      I agree though that it's a question of perspective. Either one of us may be in the right. Hopefully we'll know one way or the other at some point.

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