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  •  you're putting words in my mouth (2+ / 0-)
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    tbetz, Empower Ink

    I said "Obama helps Foster" not "Obama gave Foster his victory."  

    If you want to dispute the fact that Barack helped him win, you need to show me how those Foster ads he appeared in didn't help us win a candy-apple-red district by a margin that compares to the margin Bush acquired there in '04.  And don't forget that McCain threw his entire weight into Oberweis' bid, and likewise the NRCC, so the win was against their first string, fully engaged.

    So, why didn't Hillary jump in, I wonder?

    Oh, that reminds me: you didn't address the rest of my statement which is that this result shows that Hillary's philosophy - of brushing aside any constituency redder than bluish-purple - is "total bunk."

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

    by nailbender on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:27:51 PM PST

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    •  Again. (0+ / 0-)

      You don't provide any evidence that Obama helped push Foster over the top.

      And I don't believe that she advocates "brushing aside" red constituencies.  I can't believe that she would argue against fighting for seats in red states.

      Together, we will turn promises into action, words into solutions and hope into reality.

      by psychodrew on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:09:54 PM PST

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      •  since you ask: (1+ / 0-)
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        Empower Ink

        "You know, with all due respect, unless there's a tsunami change in America, we're never going to carry Alaska, North Dakota, Idaho. It's just not going to happen. But we have to carry the states that I'm carrying, the primary states, the states that really have to be in the winning Democratic column."

        She noted that the states she won on Super Tuesday were all states Democrats must win to succeed in the general election. Many of the states Obama won that night, such as Alaska and North Dakota, would not be competitive for Democrats next November, she said.

        "I’m telling donors and supporters: Don’t be overly concerned about what goes on in the remainder of the month of February because these are not states teed up well for us," Mr. Nemazee said.

        "Superdelegates are not second-class delegates. The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vote Democratic." (her MI campaign co-chair)

        "Sen. Obama, in contrast, won with large margins in Alabama and Georgia, two states that have been in the Republican column in the last two elections. He also won with large margins in a string of caucus states with comparatively fewer voters - Alaska, Idaho, Utah, and Kansas - and have also been in the Republican column. Of course, he won his home state." (Penn)

           "I agree he’s done well in those caucus states — we didn’t make as much of an effort as we probably should have," Ickes said. "But those states simply are not going to vote this year for a Democratic president, Andrea." (Harold Ickes)

        And as to the evidence that Obama helped Foster?  No, I don't have any exit polling data, just the facts that he was running against an over-funded GOP onslaught headed by McCain.  Obama came in to lend a  hand (which Hillary didn't do) so I can only infer from the results that he must have helped.

        What, he was a neutral factor?  Negative?  Come on, this district was Hastert's bastion and it went 56% to Bush in '04.  If Obama took away from Foster's victory, that must mean that he could have smashed Oberweis even more completely, a relatively unknown running against a well-known pol in a hostile environment.


        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

        by nailbender on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:00:59 PM PST

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