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  •  It is absurd to give weight to something that has (0+ / 0-)

    no weight.

    While I understand that you keep insisting on the objective reality of votes cast, you equally persist in disregarding the invalidity and null consequence of these votes.  

    I don't at all mean to condescend, but I encourage you to take five minutes googling the difference between a void contract and a voidable contract so you might understand the concept I am discussing.

    Void contracts, such as a contract to buy illegal drugs for example, are simply not recognized as having any existence whatsoever, from their very inception, and even if a piece of paper was actually written up and signed by the parties with money and drugs exchanging hands, etc.

    The MI and FL votes are similarly null and void--from inception even though they were actually cast--because the primary process under which they were cast was invalid...as agreed by both parties.

    There are other far more persuasive arguments, logically and factually, for MI and FL voters to participate legitimately in the nominee selection process, but this persistent effort to give value to null votes diminishes your position because it is simply wrong-whether you recognize it or not.  Simple proof of this latter point is the controversy itself--under current circumstances, the MI and FL delegations will not be seated; why? Because their election was invalid and the votes cast have no consequence.

    Rome is burning ... put down the fiddle.

    by ancblu on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:07:17 AM PDT

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    •  They don't count towards the delegate count (0+ / 0-)

      but you can't pretend they don't exist.

      Barack Obama took his name off the ballot.  He chose to do that.  He got 0 votes because he chose to get 0 votes.

      They may not mean anything as far as delegates, but they do exist.

      Together, we will turn promises into action, words into solutions and hope into reality.

      by psychodrew on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:17:00 PM PDT

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      •  He removed it to comply with (0+ / 0-)

        previously agreed upon rules, and HRC chose not to in clear violation of these rules.

        Now the resulting votes exist, but only to the extent that a foreign national's preferential vote might exist--interesting but irrelevant.  There is a reason why Canadians, or any other non-US citizen for example, cannot vote for this country's president--there is a basic rule that governs and that we all respect and follow.  This is precisely comparable to what you and I are debating...rules matter and you simply cannot count an invalid vote simply because it might exist.

        Anyway, thanks for the discussion and best to you.

        Rome is burning ... put down the fiddle.

        by ancblu on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:44:29 PM PDT

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