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  •  78% of republicans voting in MS dem primary (3+ / 0-)
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    voted for Clinton.

    And repubs were 13% of total turnout.
    That means pretty much, that 10% of the people voting in the MS dem primary were Repubs voting for Clinton.
    if Clinton got 40% of the vote, Republicnas represent 25% of her votes.

    Interestingly white independents were another 13% of the total turnout, and 59% of them voted clinton.  again if clinton got 40% of the vote, then this is about 20% of her total votes.

    13% of total voters had a strongly favorable opinion of John McCain. of those voters, 70% voted Clinton.

    I wrote a diary on this earlier...
    It seems that about 44% of Clinton vote was from Dems and Republicans.

    And yes 23% of the 50% of voters who think Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, voted for her - about 12% of voters were in this category. .  What do you want to bet that this group intersects with the high numbers of republicans voting in this election.
    (5% of total turnout in Alabama was repubs, vs 13% in MS)

    •  BiPartisian Support is Great (0+ / 0-)

      Well since we want a candidate who appeals to everyone and not just black men and grad students I am excited to see that she is getting R and I votes.

      I was surprised to see that Obama fared to poorly with white voters.

      Obama was winning roughly 90 percent of the black vote but only about one-quarter of the white vote, extending a pattern that carried him to victory in earlier primaries in South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana.

      If what you say is true that means that huge numbers of white dems din't bote at all?

      Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the enemy, but to win his friendship and understanding." -- 1958 MLK

      by Cascadia on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:25:20 PM PDT

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      •  Please use snark tags in cases like this (3+ / 0-)
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        I really can't tell whether you're serious or not.

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        by bmozaffari on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:10:02 PM PDT

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      •  Well its interesting that they voted for her even (2+ / 0-)
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        though they dont think she is honest or trustworthy.

        Look at the numbers in my diary, or in the exit polls.

        50% of MS voters think Hillary is not honest or trustworthy.

        Of those voters, 25% voted for her.
        so that is 12.5% of the total turnout.

        This means that 30% of the people voting for Hillary don't think she is honest or trustworthy.

        By contrast, 29% of voters think Obama is not honest, and of these, only 8% voted for him.
        so that is about 2.5% of total vote.
        if he got 62% of the vote  
        then  4% of the people who voted for Obama dont trust him.

        this is very interesting. What do you think of all those people voting for Hillary, but not thinking she is honest or trustworthy. Ya think there might be a few R's in there.

        •  "R" might stand for "racist" in this case. (0+ / 0-)

          Sad to say, but I can imagine that there are a few people voting for Hillary who don't particularly like her, but they like the idea of voting for a black candidate even less.

          Now, go spread some peace, love and understanding. Use force if necessary. - Phil N DeBlanc

          by lineatus on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:34:24 AM PDT

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    •  Another clue. (2+ / 0-)
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      Who inspires you about the future of the country?
      20% just Clinton went 99% Clinton
      43% just Obama went 97% Obama.
      25% both went 64% Obama
      Those all make sense. But the
      11% Neither voted 76% Clinton.
      Do the uninspired type go to Clinton because they are more the practical type or do we not inspire republicans who come to cause trouble?
      (Hey...76% said Clinton but only 9% said Obama.!? An 85% total? Looking up and down the page the rest add up to 98 to 100.)

      I wanted to compare it to pre-limbaugh races but I couldn't find an open race where they asked that question.

      Unrelated but the asked only if Hillary should pick Obama for VP and not the other way?
      They are using the numbers in the differences in answers to that question and the satisfied if other wins to "prove" that Clinton supporters are rejecting Obama in last few races. I'm sure some are but how do they think a faux voter for Hillary would answer? Spoiler voters skew the the votes.

      Well I'm sure more real Clinton supporters don't want her to ask him now since he rudely chose to Reject and Denounce the suggestion...which they also don't mention.

      I don't want numbers used wrongly to add to the Obama can't win spin in the air.

      Some strange guy I don't know was insisting all these numbers meant he couldn't win Missippi in November so Buchanan  chimed in the whole south was lost. Someone else said no Democrat will win Mississippi, it was the reddest state there was. Strange guy said it was the red state Obama has always said he could take in November, it showed his small and red sate plan couldn't work.
      I don't know who he was but I do not like him. People are entitled to their own opinion but they can't make up their own facts. If Obama promised to take Mississippi in November he probably doesn't deserve to be president but happily he never did.

      I notice in Ohio where the republican vote was very high in some counties when the answer to the question
      Satisfied if Clinton Wins?
      26% NO but 12% voted for her
      Satisfied if Obama Wins
      32% NO just 3% voted for him.

      I have to do a diary on Ohio republicans. I've been gathering the strangest red county numbers.

      •  The Clinton supporters I know are all cynical (6+ / 0-)

        to the extreme.  

        They support her because they think politics is a bloody game and they want someone on their side who will fight dirty and win against dirty fighters.  They think Obama won't manage to stay above the fray against McCain, and vote for the one who will knife McCain in the ribs and twist.

        I'd say someone who believes that could quite easily vote for her without trusting her.  "She's a scoundrel, but she's our scoundrel."  It's the same mentality as the SF Giants fans who cheered Barry Bonds.

        "Oaths bind not an ill man. Were I minded to do you ill, then lightestly would I swear any oath you desire, and lightestly in the next moment be forsworn."

        by jbelac on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:45:28 PM PDT

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        •  so she is a scoundrel now! uh... (0+ / 0-)

          Lets see how this rationale goes with Obama supporters like you:

          ■ He is an empty vessel that makes nothing but non-stop nonsense in the campaign trail, lets call it annoying noise?
          ■ He is a hypocrite and a NAFTA sellout, proving too dim for politics.
          ■ He is greedy and sleeps with thugs like Tony Rezko.
          ■ He is a black-separatist and an anti-Semite who thinks Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and his blabbering-wife are honorable humans.

          So, on the whole, "he is a scoundrel too, but hey, he's our scoundrel"! in fact why can't we all become scoundrels? because we have seen the "light"! Can we? "YES WE CAN"!


          •  Let's debunk your comment (0+ / 0-)

            Clinton's campaign is the one who called the Canadians with her 'wink, wink, nod nod" we didn't mean it on NAFTA

            Rezco and his friends also contributed to the Clitons, and Bush, so there's nothing that stands out as to this fake claim of Rezco connection.

            He rejected and denounced Farrakan, Clinton refused and accepted the race card played by Ferrarro against Obama.

            No, it appears the opposite is true, Clinton supporters support her no matter what the truth and continue to spread her campaign's deception.

            "People should not vote for any Republican, because they're dangerous, dishonest and self-serving"

            by Wary on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:35:15 AM PDT

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            •  TPM shows article from Globe and Mail stating (0+ / 0-)
              from the Canadian Prime Minister's office that they never got a call or talked with anyone in the Clinton campaign - get your facts straight before making accusations - what will you do in November to get the '"racists" Clinton supporters - you forget that you need them to win and they'll be going for the majority for McCain - why should they support the candidate of rabid supporters who called them outrageous names! There will be no kiss and make up or forget and forgive movement - so think before you utter such stupidity!
          •  The difference is (0+ / 0-)

            that the Clinton supporters I know believe she's a scoundrel and vote for her for that reason.  The Obama supporters I know believe he's not a scoundrel and vote for him for that reason.

            I won't dignify the rest of your comment with a response.

            "Oaths bind not an ill man. Were I minded to do you ill, then lightestly would I swear any oath you desire, and lightestly in the next moment be forsworn."

            by jbelac on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:48:00 AM PDT

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