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  •  There's not a nickel's worth (0+ / 0-)

    of difference between HRC and Obama. So, for me, it's about who is the strongest candidate. No question that's HRC. Not even close. I would be disappointed that Obama got the nomination only because i think he gets his ass handed to him by the McCain-Rove campaign. And, i think if he somehow managed to win the general election he'd be another Jimminy Carter. Nice guy! But, you know what they say about nice guys. I'd rather we had The Bitch in the oval orifice. Not nice! But, like the SNL skit said, "gets stuff done!"

    •  and you think that HRC will beat McCain? (0+ / 0-)

      if you think HRC has a chance against McCain, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.  Why do you think the GOP is doing all it can to help HRC get the nomination?  

      if a sizeable portion of DEMOCRATS aren't even happy with HRC as the Dem candidate, what makes you think that independents and GOPers are going to vote for her.

      While I'm saddened that the Dems are not going to win this fall (HRC is going to get the nomination), if this is the short-term price that has to be paid to benefit the progressive movement long-term, than so be it.

      I will never vote for HRC (and know MANY Dems who feel the same way).

    •  and, yes, there IS a nickel's difference (0+ / 0-)

      between HRC and Obama.  HRC is a power-hungry narcissist who will say and/or do ANYTHING to obtain power.  while Obama is certainly a politician, he has run a much different campaign, one that he and his supporters can be proud of.  HRC is running a campaign that karl rove would envy.

      •  may be true, but there still ain't (0+ / 0-)

        a nickel's worth of difference between the candidates. Obama may look nicer in a suit, and talk nicer on the stump, but that's all smoke and mirrors. He may have fooled most of the people most of the time, but he certainly hasn't fooled the pundits. Or those of us less than impressed by his smooth talking rhetoric. He's all hat and no cattle. He wins points on style, but can't hit the jumps. No matter. I'm afraid we're stuck with him unless HRC can pull all those super delegates out of her (hat). And, i think McCain-Rove kicks his ass. Yet another potus opportunity squandered. But, hey, maybe i'm wrong and Obama continues to fool most of the people most of the time right on into November! Wouldn't that be something!

        •  You trivialize the importance of the messages (0+ / 0-)

          You trivialize the importance of the message of each candidate.

          Cynics want to present messages as being just style, as being empty rhetoric. In leadership however it matters what message you gather your followers (or your nation) around.

          Clinton's message is all about cynicism and about dirty politics -- and since the 3am ads it's all become a message of fear. Obama's message is about hope and reconciliation and working together for change.

          You keep on talking about "fooling people", about "smoke and mirrors". Only an utter cynic thinks that all messages are smoke and mirrors.

          Among other things you're choosing the image of your country abroad. And the image of Hillary Clinton is pretty horrible.

    •  If there's no question, you should be able to (0+ / 0-)

      offer an argument. Since you don't, your blathering can be discounted.

    •  No difference between Obama and HRC, but... (0+ / 0-)

      he'd be Jimmy Carter and she'd get stuff done?

      You share her ability to defy logic.

    •  between Huckabee and Clinton perhaps (0+ / 0-)

      There's not a nickel's worth of difference between Huckabee and Hillary Clinton perhaps.

      But it's difficult to imagine two candidates more different in their underlying messages than Obama and Clinton. If there truly wasn't a "nickel's worth of difference" you wouldn't see so much passion and anger over their nomination.

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