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  •  For crying out loud (21+ / 0-)

    What is going on? This isn't one of those issues that's even arguable. This is a no-brainer. There's no ambiguity here. It shouldn't even be feasible to have a discussion about whether or not DEATH amounts to a form of persecution.

    Lil' Bush: "We can't have a black man in the Whitehouse begging for change!"

    by USArmyParatrooper on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 05:24:10 AM PDT

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    •  There's a few factors (5+ / 0-)
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      First, ingrained homophobia in the British legal system - when I was first there, you could get arrested for showing same-sex affection in public - and second, a desire not to rock the boat with Iran. Lots of juicy oil revenues at stake for British and European companies selling stuff.

      Ils n'ont rien appris, ni rien oublié. - Talleyrand

      by MBNYC on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 05:28:29 AM PDT

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    •  Legal point (6+ / 0-)

      The point is that asylum is not available just because someone comes from a country where there is a general risk of some form of persecution to a class of persons. The decision must be based on whether there is considered to be a specific risk to the individual asylum seeker, beyond the general risk.

      I know this is a ridiculous approach, but there is case law which supports it. As I recall the leading case concerned a Congolese asylum seeker, who had fled when soldiers came to his home and shot wildly killing his parents. The courts in the UK held that because there was no evidence that the individual asylum seeker was more at risk than the general run of Congolese people, the asylum claim was refused.

      However even if the applicant in the current case lost the asylum claim because of this argument, he would still have a European Convention of Human Rights claim which on the basis of what I know of this case seems to be strong.

      There is no man alive who is sufficiently good to rule the life of the man next door to him. Sir Rhys Hopkin Morris, M.P.

      by Gary J on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 05:36:40 AM PDT

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      •  In this case, though... (0+ / 0-)

        ...I think it is established, isn't it, that he specifically will be targeted by the Iranian government because of his membership in a despised class of citizens.

        It's not just that they're hunting for gay people to lynch, it's that they're hunting for gay people and especially him. At least, if they weren't already, they are now.

        Oh, my friend, how have we come / to trade the fiddle for the drum?

        by Shaviv on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 07:14:19 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, but the legal assholes responsible... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... for defending the policy to those considering whether to accept or reject his bid for asylum will surely try to claim that there isn't...  and some nerds who have worked on asylum cases will try to muddle the issue with some legal mumbo jumbo.  It's sad.  This case is black and white and all the legal nerds are making our work harder.  And people wonder why there is so much antipathy, if not downright hostility towards just about all lawyers, even the ones who claim to work on human rights cases.

          I would like to "shop" around for a thread with no one who goes on about how "shopping" is a legal term.  If anyone can help me in my quest to "shop" around for a different thread, please do so.

    •  whooaaaaa there 'trooper (0+ / 0-)

      you're getting a little overwrought.

      As your diary title indicates.
      Is the young man really threatened, in an imminent way, with EXECUTION, and if so, it would be preferable if you could provide some evidence beyond the iconic photos from several years ago.

      Is the lesbian threatened with unambiguous and imminent death?  Do you know that?  How do you know that?  Shouldn't you support your assertions with facts?

      Yes, Iran commits human rights abuses, including abusive acts toward homosexuals.  But hysteria based on a propaganda campaign of demonization does not help the cause of the gay guy or the lesbian.  

      In fact, propaganda campaigns such as the US is carrying on against Iran point up just how harmful demonization is-- nobody is free to act according to normal measures of truth and justice because truth and justice have been bastardized in favor of warmongering.  

      •  On the beeb today, World Service radio, (1+ / 0-)
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        a MP from the Liberal Democrats said that over 4000 gays and lesbians had been executed in Iran since the late '80 Islamic revolution.  They also spoke about how the Revolutionary Guard is about to become the nations parliamentary majority party and its most wealthy and influential - that's Ahmadinejad's party and power base.  

        Taken together, it tells me this is a very legitimate area for concern.  And I don't hear no one beating war drums.

        Many a man has a bonfire in his heart and nobody comes to warm himself at it.
        -V. Van Gogh

        by Eric S on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:03:39 PM PDT

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      •  Army Speak: "Risk Assessment" (0+ / 0-)

        'Sodomy' is a capital offense in Iran, and many thousands of gays have been executed, as was his ex-boyfriend. Obviously, being his gay lover at the time, HE would be guilty of the same exact "crime" would he not?

        Nobody can say they are 100% sure he will be hung. Few things in life are 100%. But by logical deduction you can say with certainty that his life will be in great peril.

        Lil' Bush: "We can't have a black man in the Whitehouse begging for change!"

        by USArmyParatrooper on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 07:41:45 PM PDT

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