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  •  The problem with lobbyists is lying about the.. (0+ / 0-)

    ... money. Don't say you are against lobbyists and their money, then ask them to bundle cash for you. That is exactly what Obama is doing, and it is dishonest.

    On the larger questions of lobbyists HRC is quite correct in that lobbyists represent unions, teachers, GLBT advocacy groups, environmental groups and the like. Not all lobbyists are corporate lobbyists for chemical companies or Chevron.

    I suspect Obama never had any intention of swearing off lobbyist money -- he simply wanted something to attack HRC on, even dishonestly.

    There is nothing honest about pretending you don't take money from lobbyists when you simply having them collect the checks instead of writing them themselves.

    •  I know! I was being facetious! Obama keeps (0+ / 0-)

      getting a pass on his lobbyist and corporate ties ~ why is that!?!

      •  Because they want to set up the... (2+ / 0-)
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        American Idol of politics battle between the first viable woman and the first viable black candidate. I suspect that is what Ferraro meant with her comments, although she sure was pretty inelegant in her phrasing.

        He's viable because he gives a damn good speech.But I think he gets a pass from the media in order to keep him in it. They dare not actually investigate anything about him if they want to keep him in it.

        The sexism against her that is so damn pervasive I can barely watch the news any longer comes from white, male, elitist journalist to whom sexism is second nature, and long a part of the journalism business. As long as we let the media choose our candidates as we have this year, a woman will never be president.

        It will be interesting to see if the teflon coating sticks if he wins the nod. I tend to doubt it.

        Thanks for your comments. It can get pretty lonely on DKos for an HRC supporter!

        •  This part I agree with you about. (0+ / 0-)

          It's a question of who is it safer to hate, and clearly the jury in in, on this one.  And it's very sad.

          But you're barking up the wrong tree by arguing that he is more impure, moneywise, than Hillary.  He's not.  They're about the same, except maybe she has more dings because she's been at it longer.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:12:55 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think he's more impure (1+ / 0-)
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            I just think he's a hypocrite to make purity on that issue part of his campaign. He's lying about that, and she isn't. That makes a difference to me.

            I've never voted for a single republican in my life, but I had a real head start on disliking Bush when, during his 2000 campaign, he looked the camera straight in the eye and said he had supported SCHIP in Texas. Since health care policy is my business I knew he had vetoed it, the lege there had overriden his veto, and he let it go to law without his signature. But he was vehemently against it. Media gave him a pass, just like they do with Obama so often.

            The bottom line is blatant lies (and I don't mean difference of opinion, but flat out lies) really turn me off a candidate. Obama's lies about PACs and lobbyist money, and the hypocrisy of his wife's job as relates to affordable health care just make him a candidate I cannot vote for. That said, I'm thankful I live in a safe blue state so I don't have to agonize between my conscience and assisting McCain in being elected.

            •  That is exactly the point. It's the hypocrisy (0+ / 0-)

              that is troubling, yet no one calls him on it ~ and Hillary is constantly 'pilloried' for every little thing ~ she really can't get a break.  And when you mention that, the new "line" is she's whining or playing the victim, or whatever ~ A vicious circle to say the least!

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