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    Obama is undeniably where he is in substantial (maybe even, in necessary, but not sufficient) part (please, subjective readers, note the adjective) because African-Americans are clearly voting along racial lines. (Maybe there's another explanation, like blacks are better able to discern a candidate's merits, which explanation itself might be racist, but obviously, on their face, these are not "all things being equal" kinds of numbers and I have not read or heard a better explanation.) Obama is where he is because he is black.

    Clinton started out this campaign leading among black voters. She garnered a significant percentage of them early on.

    It was in South Carolina, when they decided to send a message to black voters that was different from the rest of the audience that things fell apart. Black voters don't want a different message - even if it's a BETTER message, they want the same message. They are skeptical of politicians telling them what they want to hear and not delivering. The Clintons did that with the gay community in 1992 and 1996.

    The message in SC backfired on the Clinton and at several points thereafter. Black voters didn't run to Obama, Clinton pushed them there, and now they are arguing that it's the VOTERS fault. She can't fault them for voting as a bloc when her campaign has repeatedly treated them as a bloc. That's the whole POINT of Mark Penn campaigning. Had they gone to her, she would have played it up as her broad appeal and had they run away she plays it up as discrimination or reverse discrimination.

    This game is too easy to play. She doesn't campaign in caucus states, she gets her ass kicked there, she complains that they are biased and unfair. Any candidate can do this. Obama could drive the female vote away and then cry reverse sexism. That's what Clinton is doing and people keep falling for it.

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    "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

    by johnsonwax on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:18:22 PM PDT

    •  Tallgrass (0+ / 0-)

      has pointed out, with numbers, why this makes absolutely zero sense as a campaign strategy for HRC.  And why it makes every sense for the Obama campaign to deliberately and falsely tar Clinton as a racist.

      Follow the money, or the votes.  Who benefits?

      •  HRC can't get there on votes (0+ / 0-)

        Her only hope left at this point is a brokered convention where she points out that Obama is unelectable because the right has branded him as an affirmative action candidate. We all know the math. Hillary knows the math. These comments came out on the eve of the Mississippi primary where they knew from polling the exit results would serve as evidence of their claims - and that's exactly what's been happening.

        And the numbers that tallgrass points out don't refute my point, only strengthen it. Clinton tried to swing the black vote in her direction in South Carolina and it blew up on them. Bill thought he could win them over - and they probably could have, but not with the approach he took, and it really needed to be Hillary making the case, not Bill. Sending Bill out looks like they are calling in a favor.

        But once that happened, once SC went away from them, there was no getting them back, so they gently pushed them away instead - or at least let them go on their own. In the grand scheme it wouldn't make a huge difference whether Obama got 60% or 90% - the black population is pretty small in most states. But it's outrageous to claim that black voters got him here if we are in any way honest. Look back to just 10 weeks before Iowa:

        Among black registered Democrats overall, Clinton had a 57 percent to 33 percent lead over Obama.

        That's up from 53 percent for Clinton and 36 percent for Obama in a poll carried out in April.

        The 26-point difference between black women and men underscores the fact that the nation's vote is divided not only by race, but also by gender, said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider. "Black women don't just vote their black identity," he said. "They also vote their identity as women."

        Not only did she have black voters by a wide margin, it was women that were propping her up, not blacks propping him up. Obama had to win those black voters over. And some he got from her and Bill pushing (even unintentionally at first)

        But Clinton has stayed in this game a long time on her invalidation arguments. The press has bought in to a degree that caucuses are biased, that popular vote is a good measure, and so on. They've repeated the 'red states don't matter' meme, at least in tone. This is just a continuation of that - that black voters don't matter since Obama has all that he would get on account of most blacks being Democrats. But Clinton has been hitting Obama on experience for over a month now and not gotten anywhere, but Ferraro's remarks undermine his experience by declaring, with no evidence whatsoever, that he got here based on race. Suddenly, in one move, Clinton has landed the blow that she has been trying to land for weeks, and now we have people constantly backfilling to try and support those statements.

        And Obama didn't tar them as a racist - they did. Here's what Obama had to say about her comments:

        "I think that her comments were ridiculous. I think they were wrong-headed. The notion that it is a great advantage to me to be an African American named Barack Obama and pursue the presidency, I think, is not a view that has been commonly shared by the general public."

        Here is what Ferraro said:

        "Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up. Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

        Ferraro planted the 'racist' comment in the press, not Obama. She playing the victim here. Why would she go on O'Reilly and continue it?

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        "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

        by johnsonwax on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:33:03 PM PDT

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