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  •  Right, because (8+ / 0-)

    the only principled choice is to back Obama.

    Maybe he has principled doubts about Obama's ability to win and to stand up to corporate power? I know I do.

    •  Obamabots generally don't understand (6+ / 0-)

      how someone could not possibly just LOOOVE Obama. They all think Edwards should be swooning and fainting like they are.

      I think Edwards like Hillary's UHC plan and hates Obama's. And that was a critical issue for him. Obamabots tend to forget that Edwards the issues guy and fainting and reverence was not part of the agenda.

      Spears/Hilton '08

      by cosbo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:31:31 PM PDT

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      •  In this very thread (7+ / 0-)

        Edwards has been charged with cowardice and racism because he doesn't pray at the Church of Obama.

        I'm going to say this once more slowly:

        there...are...good...reasons...to...question...Obama's...willingess...and...ability..to...fight corporate...power..and..the...Republicans.

        •  Who said JRE was racist? (2+ / 0-)
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          I read the thread, didn't come across that.

          All you have to do is look at the Clinton 1990's, her corporate funders, and her backtracking on debating on Faux to see why endorsing her would be a betrayel of his principles.

          The ruling class has been dividing whites and blacks for 400 years--it is nothing new.

          by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:13:36 PM PDT

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      •  As I pointed out in my diary (1+ / 0-)
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        I was an Edwards supporter before he dropped out.  I know the issues and the candidates positions on the issues. I know that HRC's healthcare plan is closer to JE's, Obama doesn't talk enough about poverty, etc.

        I also know that HRC is alienating traditional Democratic voters, benefiting from Repub crossovers who have no intention of voting Dem this fall, and showing a general win-at-all costs mentality, even after the race is, for all practical purposes, over.

        At this point it doesn't matter whose policies match yours most closely. What matters is that HRC almost certainly will not win the nomination, if she does steal it she will be crushed by McCain and the anti-Clinton vote, and every day and every dollar she spends tearing down Obama might as well be coming from the RNC.  

        I don't LOOOVE Obama - I don't even get a thrill up my leg like Tweety.  But I do LOOOVE my country, and I don't think it can take another four (or eight) years of Republican rule. Anything that JE can do to derail the Clinton express to hell must be done ASAP.

        •  No it doesn't commenter (1+ / 0-)
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          He can wait, and so shall you if you are a true supporter.  Otherwise, you are disingenuous about your support of JRE.  

        •  See what I see something completely different... (0+ / 0-)

          In Clinton as bitchy & ruthless as she is, is willing to fight all the way. That's the kind of person we need to win the general. Someone relentless. I don't care one way or another about Clinton...but I do admire her tenacity. If Kerry had been like that, he would have been president today. Thing is ....Obama who gives up when the politics looks to get too rough.

          I'm an Edwards supporter, I couldn't give a flying fuck who gets the nomination at this point. Obama doesn't inspire me, and Clinton doesn't thrill me.

          Which one can beat McCain? Please don't repeat the stupid electoral map from last week. It doesn't mean shit.

          Who is still winning despite all the negative press? Clinton is. That's what's going to happen in the fall. The press is going to go hardcore for McCain.  They've started already. Who can  stand up to that and win?

          Spears/Hilton '08

          by cosbo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:57:16 PM PDT

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          •  What exactly is Clinton winning? (1+ / 0-)
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            Sun dog

            Maybe I missed a primary or 20. Obama is leading in pledged delegates, states won, and the popular vote (even without considering the people who participated in caucuses) and is gaining fast in supers.

            Yeah, HRC won Ohio, RI, and TX (although Obama ended up with more TX delegates than she did). And it took Obama one week (and two "small" states) to erase her gains.

            I don't believe in win at all costs, no matter what the stakes. That's the kind of thinking that led to the President of the United States authorizing torture.

            •  It's nutty in here (0+ / 0-)

              You're insane if you believe your candidate has principles but Edwards supporters who don't toe the Pure line on him are denounced as not real supporters of JRE.  And Hillary is winning because, well, up is down?  And Obama isn't a fighter but JRE is.  Blea on this thick-headed scene here.  I knew really savvy Edwards supporters in Iowa but here the level is about junior high.  

              It's all 'Obamabots,' strawmen, and a one-dimentional understanding of politics.  I'm not sure why so many of this type ended up with Edwards.  He was a pretty good candidate.  I supported him strongly for the nomination in 2004.  Because he made sense that year as our nominee.  I still believe he would have unseated Bush.  This year, Obama makes way more sense in terms of what the country is looking for and our ability to build a working majority than either Hillary or Edwards.  

              Oh, and if any of you guys are still around, it would be principled of  Edwards to endorse because Hillary is running a divisive campaign and hurting our chances in November.  Because Edwards claimed after Iowa that Obama's win was a good thing because it showed the country was hungry for real change and he and Obama were the ones who represent that.  The two choices are Clinton and Obama now.  Obama has won the pledged delegate battle.  He's being attacked simultaneously by Hillary and McCain, both from the right.  It would be principled to help end this thing so we can win the election and get some of those changes that Edwards is supposedly so principled about.

              These turkeys revere him and make twice the leader out of him than he's ever been.  And then they accuse Obama supporters of doing that with a candidate who actually could take us to the White House and carry a mandate doing it.  

              Enough.  I'm sick of the JRE worshippers acccusing others of doing what they are totally guilty of.

          •  Fighting isn't (3+ / 0-)
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            going to get 5-10 Senators to support a health care iniative if HRC wins the nomination.

            Any President that "stood up to corporate power" would be handed 20% unemployment by the Fed about 8-12 months before 2012.  

            We're nowhere near standing up to corporate power in this country.  Grow the party, get 65-75% of people voting, then talk about standing up to corporate power and the CCCP--corporate controlled consumer pseud-journalists.

            The ruling class has been dividing whites and blacks for 400 years--it is nothing new.

            by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:16:40 PM PDT

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