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    for the past 5 years in search; really the subjects you address have been addressed multiple times.

    Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

    by doinaheckuvanutjob on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:59:02 AM PDT

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    •  Not in the context of last week's events (0+ / 0-)

      judging from the dates of diaries resulting from that search.  Even if so, seriously, this is not the sort of clear repetition of breaking news that you are supposed to police.  By your standard, huge swaths of the front page, in addition to a huge amount of individual diaries, would be "repetitive," as would most newspaper columns.

      People dip into and out of the DKos pool; the audience to which we write is everchanging.  It's legitimate to try out a new take on an old theme to see if it resonates with people; it's legitimate to keep an old theme, if relevant, in public consciouness.

      I don't know your stance on the race; without checking, I'll assume that you don't say this simply because you don't like being reminded of Hillary's lack of likability, because trying to shut down debate on that ground would be wrong.

      Before we can repair the Constitution, we must continually remind people that it is broken and that repairing it is our patriotic obligation.

      by Seneca Doane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:11:25 AM PDT

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      •  It's best practice to do a diary search before (0+ / 0-)

        writing and posting, it's in the diary writing guidelines. Repeating topics that have been discussed to death really is not stimulating and bounces off more substantial diaries from the diary list. In the long run it hurts the reputation and viability of the site to be an alternative to mainstream media, to cover what has been swept aside by the media, to generate positive progressive activism and elect Dems as is the mission of the site.

        Kos has even written about Hillary and likability, he said it didn't matter, but it's been diaried to death as a topic as have a dozen other topics. If you searched, you'd see the repetition and in fact if you searched maybe then you'd find your own thinking would be more informed to the point where you would present a different angle or topic-- that's what research is for. It really doesn't take that long to do a little bit of research. When I write a diary it usually takes me at least 2 hours, sometimes several days to get the research and then revise properly. All of us are different as far as how long it takes but I do think a bit of research is called for, and that is explicit in the diary writing guidelines.

        Without checking to see if I am a Hillary supporter and then assuming so is bad form also. I was an Edwards supporter, since his drop out I've been relatively neutral though her crappy campaign tactics and the fact she can't win the nomination without staging some cataclysmic upset make me lean to Obama.

        You write coherently and you respond civilly. Those are two huge plusses, that's why I encourage you to challenge yourself to make your diaries more interesting because as I looked at all of them, almost all of them cover things that others have diaried repeatedly, but you write well enough that you could present a much more valuable contribution.

        Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

        by doinaheckuvanutjob on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:38:20 PM PDT

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        •  Thank you for the feedback (1+ / 0-)
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          First, Kos is wrong about Hillary's likability not being a problem, and it decent of him to allow people to disagree with him on that and other points on his site.

          I have been here longer than you have, judging from your UID and the one on the account that I used until recently, and I have posted over a couple of hundred diaries since 2005.  This diary considers the question of likability in light of current events and in light of an ongoing conversation on the blogosphere about the role of electability in choosing a candidate; it also, by use of its title, puts the current question of Obama's credibility up against Hillary's likability.  I am confident that it does not run afoul of guidelines against duplicative diaries.  I would be highly surprised if the admins were to disagree.  If they do, they're certainly derilict in failing to step in, as you have, much more often.

          Here's why they probably don't.  The "duplicative diary" problem is something that is significant over hours or days, such as this moment when we literally have about 15 of the past 50 diaries weighing in on Obama's Pastor Wright.  Even then, "duplicativeness" is more of an issue with breaking news (or recent news) than it is with opinion pieces, where each writer may bring a fresh take on an issue.

          Even then, an occasional duplicative news diary is a good thing, especially if it addresses a topic is not covered on the front page, because different people drint into and out of the site over the course of a given day (and, indeed, a week), and they may well miss a story that, were one to hew firmly to the rule you cite, we'd say that the site had "already covered."

          Meanwhile, if you truly do want to police duplicative diaries, you have a Augean Stables worth of them left to address.  I regret that you don't think that my diaries meet community standards, I am at peace with it, and I hope that we are done here.

          Posting a diary on the nomination? Pay your McCain Tax!

          by Seneca Doane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:41:11 PM PDT

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          •  My apologies then. (1+ / 0-)
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            I thought your were a relative newbie from your UID#.

            My apologies then for the lecture on duplication and how to write, which then apparently was not needed.

            I'll just agree to disagree on the issue of whether yours was a duplicated topic. And I'd certainly agree with you that yours is not one of the most egregious violations of that principle.

            At this point in time, I've been going with erring on the side of being vigilant re: site guidelines, since the admins have said recently that they want TU's to monitor that since they don't have the time, and since diary quality has dropped dramatically in recent months. It does seem better in the past few days, perhaps due to some Hillary supporters leaving, not because their diaries were bad but because it may have lessened the aggression on both sides. My apologies though for targeting yours, perhaps I was overzealous, and since your a veteran of diary writing, I'm certainly going to drop the matter and offer you my respect.

            I also appreciate your civility and patience in responding to me, many would not be so gracious. It speaks highly of you and for that you also have my respect.


            Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

            by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:40:49 PM PDT

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            •  No apology necessary; no offense taken (1+ / 0-)
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              I've been the one doing the policing often enough in the past; it's instructive to be on the other end of it.  I just think we have to wait out the primaries to get the diary side of the site back to the quality it was before.  Thanks.

              Posting a diary on the nomination? Pay your McCain Tax!

              by Seneca Doane on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:00:43 AM PDT

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              •  Thanks again for your sane, grounded (1+ / 0-)
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                and reasoned viewpoint. It's always a pleasure to see people here who I can learn from who make this site  special by setting an example of knowing how to conduct themselves with wise perspective, civility and centeredness.

                I appreciate it a lot.

                Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

                by doinaheckuvanutjob on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 06:03:52 PM PDT

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