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  •  Goodpoints (1+ / 0-)
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    The problem is Obama's whole appeal is his supposed inclusion and judgement.

    Once that is under attack and taken away, he loses his core message.

    This reminds me of the Swiftboat stuff in 2004. Everyone on here made excuses for Kerry and didn't realize the damage until they looked in their rear view mirror.

    •  Greg 25% of the votes any dem needs (3+ / 0-)
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      to win are African American. If he is denied the nomination what % of those voters will now think it was simply because of racist white people overturning the wishes of the voters (many of them white). She can not win this way and remain viable, in fact I think the Wright thing might cause many dems to realize they had better start defending their nominee in waiting before it is too late.

      After Obama's eighth straight victory, Penn told reporters: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election.

      by nevadadem on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:13:50 AM PDT

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      •  Nevada (0+ / 0-)

        You know as well as I do that there is a slice of Hillary supporters whoa aren't going to vote for him automatically either - and may never. Look at the exit polling.

        Anger cuts both ways.

        You campaign and repair.

        •  agreed but one candidate (1+ / 0-)
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          needs to overturn the voters wishes to win and the other does not. Hillary supporters may not vote for Obama because of issues/race ect.....Obama supporters will believe Hillary stole the nomination.

          After Obama's eighth straight victory, Penn told reporters: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election.

          by nevadadem on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:18:53 AM PDT

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        •  You can't repair this. (2+ / 0-)
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          This goes straight to the heart of the racist divide in America.  It shows the hypocrisy - white preachers like Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson can say whatever they want and they are celebrated by the media and the Republicans.

          One man speaks his mind based on his life experience and another man is made to pay the price.  And why - because they are black.

          If this sinks Obama's campaign - it sinks us all. Black people will not vote and neither will thinking people who realize that despite all the pretense, Americans cannot overcome their fear to act in their own self interests.  Eventually every empire falls.  Perhaps it is just our time.

          Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

          by landrew on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:42:22 AM PDT

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    •  my view on "inclusion" means (1+ / 0-)
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      he will find it necessary and even desirable to be in the company of people he does not agree with on every topic but still feels that they have other valuable and worthy qualities. That's what makes tolerance and inclusiveness so hard to practice. You have to agree to disagree sometimes.

      And I am keenly aware America may decide not to elect him or that Democrats may decide to not give America a chance not to elect him.

      But I still calls it as I see it.

      "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

      by geejay on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:18:50 AM PDT

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      •  But is there value or worth in Wright's comments? (0+ / 0-)

        All I see is ugly hateful nonsense. When someone is spouting crazy talk, you don't have to value or give worth to that. And notice that Obama isn't embracing Wright, he's cutting off all ties. There may not be any tolerance or inclusiveness in that, but there's plenty of common sense. My complaint isn't with Obama's decision to do this but in his extraordinary delay in throwing water on the fire until it starting burning out of control.

        •  The value and worth in the 30 years of work as a (3+ / 0-)

          respected pastor. The work he has done in his community. The lives he has reached out and touched in positive ways. His passion to instill self-reliance and responsibility in people living in an economically devastated region.

          You can't judge a man's life time of work from some sound bites.

          "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

          by geejay on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:34:36 AM PDT

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        •  Truth hurts. (1+ / 0-)
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          Wrights comments are controversial, but they are not noxious.

          America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.

          What in this statement is false?  

          Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

          by landrew on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:36:22 AM PDT

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          •  Supporting Obama? (0+ / 0-)

            How do you think it would go over with the general public if Obama embraced those views? Why do you think Obama has condemned these statements and severed his ties with Rev. Wright? I take Obama at his word that he finds these statements noxious.

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