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  •  One rather important detail about (1+ / 0-)
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    Iowa is that the Edwards delegates moved to the first place candidate and reinforced that position.  They did not go to the third place candidate and allow that candidate to jump into first place.  

    The logic of Obama supporters regarding the supers and Clinton "stealing" the election is based on the displacement of the pledged delegate leader from first to last because of the superdelegates.  That would somehow be seen as not "earned" and therefore "stealing" or "cheating".  Does that make sense?

    "Send lawyers, guns, and money the shit has hit the fan." Warren Zevon

    by AvoMonster on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:56:07 PM PDT

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    •  depends on what county you're talking about (0+ / 0-)

      In Appanoose County, they elevated the third-place candidate into first place.

      I understand what you mean, but I have so many problems with the way pledged delegates are allocated that it is impossible for me to accept that the pledged delegate leader has necessarily "earned" the nomination, especially if the leader is only ahead of the other candidate by a small margin.

      I have a real problem with the fact that Obama comes out of Iowa with a 9-delegate edge over Clinton after winning the popular vote by around 20,000 people, while Clinton won Ohio by 200,000 votes and only got a 9-delegate edge on Obama.

      John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

      by desmoinesdem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:15:15 PM PDT

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      •  OK... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but I have so many problems with the way pledged delegates are allocated that it is impossible for me to accept that the pledged delegate leader has necessarily "earned" the nomination...

        So if you can't accept pledged delegates as determining the winner (which seems odd, to me - but whatever), then what CAN you accept?

        The popular vote?

        It ain't called paranoia - when they're really out to get you.

        by Jaime Frontero on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:40:36 PM PDT

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        •  I would like to change the whole process (0+ / 0-)

          and if pledged delegates are going to be used, they should be allocated to states in proportion to the population.

          None of this crap where 1 Wyoming caucus-goer has the same influence over the pledged delegate count as 19 California primary voters, or a victory by 20,000 votes in Iowa nets you the same pledged delegate advantage as a victory by 200,000 votes in Ohio.

          John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

          by desmoinesdem on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:01:45 AM PDT

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