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  •  Nice try. (0+ / 0-)

    Had Al Gore preserved Clinton's edge among the youth vote, he would've been president. Instead, Bush erased the youth gap in 2000, capturing half the young-adult vote.  

    •  Again, we couldn't vote in those years. (4+ / 0-)
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      Those people who were young then are at least late twenty-mid thirty by now.  She and I had no say, and the youth vote is definitely more democratic now that our age group can vote.

      •  Oh, you meant the young people today (1+ / 1-)
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        wouldn't have voted for Bush in 2000 as opposed to the idiot young people from 8 years ago.  Those young people then definitely weren't as smart as you yutes.  My bad.

        •  Maybe not, but it can't be proven either way. (2+ / 0-)
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          And the fact that more youth are voting in the democratic primaries now and in 2004 is indicative.  I personally can only speak for myself.  But I don't see how adults are smarter than youth for having voted Bush in when we had no say.

          •  You're really not helping your case, (0+ / 0-)

            you know?

            •  I don't see how you are helping yours. (11+ / 0-)

              And you were the original case-maker, as it were.  I wasn't the one who said "If young people in this country got their way, there would never have been an Iraq War or a president Bush."- that was not my claim, I was just pointing out that you were generalizing the youth, when some of us are smarter than the ever-so-wise adults.  I don't think you are making any case at all, since your first two comments consisted of

              Isn't she like 15 or something? (0 / 0)

              Let me know what she thinks when she get's her drivers permit.  Thanks.

              and

              zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

              Amateur hour.  

              I'm glad to leave my fate in the hands of such brilliant and fair-minded mature adults.  Us youth are so much less mature and intelligent.

            •  And you're just bitter (7+ / 0-)

              because HRC doesn't have the majority of the youth vote. If she did, you'd be crowing about how smart all the young people are. Give it a rest. You got called out for a ridiculous statement you made judging the girl in the ad her for her age and haven't backed it up well at all--whatever arguments you or wasthatrhetoric are having about hypothetical situations that won't ever be tested in reality.

              From my mid-40s perspective, you're just look bitter and trivial. This generation gap ageist bullshit is so tiring. Try and come up with an argument to support your candidate and points that isn't based on gross over-generalizations construed from demographics.

              •  Bitter? About what? (0+ / 0-)

                I voted for Obama and will be happy to vote for him again.  I find it idiotic that the Obamamites are trotting out some girl who, as a I child, was a (presumably) paid actor in a commercial and acting like her political opinion (still as a minor) actually is come kind of coup-de-grace.  Immature amateurs who will be crushed when the pros take over.  

                •  Well, you're right as far as the fact (7+ / 0-)

                  that I made a bad assumption about you and who you were supporting.

                  But if you don't think this commercial can have some serious impact, I respectfully disagree. Sure, it won't be the ad that wins an election, but it's a great idea and a good response to Hillary's 3 a.m. ad. If it does one thing, it will help continue to invigorate Obama's youth base (and I think it will be effective beyond that).

                  And I still think you're original irritating put-down of Casey Knowles is ridiculous and disrespectful. I know a lot of young people who are incredibly erudite and well-spoken and their ideas and enthusiasm are worth listening to. It helps shake up my somewhat cynical middle-aged ass. Discounting Casey based on her youth is idiotic. Obama is getting a major push from young people and we need them to stay motivated, we need them to pull the lever for him in the remaining primaries, we need them to vote for him in November, and we need them to become good, hardworking Democrats after that.

                •  Yeah, pros like Rove or Penn (2+ / 0-)
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                  kyril, Contra

                  Rove had the following advantages to work with and managed to tie Woodrow Wilson for the barest re-election victory:

                  * Sitting President * "War"-time President * Economy wasn't as bad as it had been in 2002 * Iraq wasn't as good as it had been in H1-2003 but still not as bad as it got after the election * Record amounts of campaign contributions and spending

                  Mark Penn started off with an inevitable candidate who's been running second place.

                  Your assertions which seem to imply that the "experts" always trump the "amateurs" is a bit silly as well as often disproven.

                  Since you seem to make a study of politics, perhaps you understand that politics are a muddled stew like financial markets, a combination of the rational and the irrational, the planned and the unplanned, the schedulers and the opportunists.  And political experts are like stars at anything else - they have good days and bad days and they get both kinds of luck.

                  •  Ignore and discount them at your (0+ / 0-)

                    own peril.  This "holier than thou, clean politics" only works if both sides are willing to play nice.  If they're not, you damn well better hit back hard.  Sorry, kids, but the little missy and showing pictures of Bubba with the nutty reverend doesn't really bode well for how Obama is going to handle the really nasty stuff that will be coming.

                •  oh really? (3+ / 0-)
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                  and just yesterday you said this?  In which comment were you lying?


                  * [new] Bad day for Obama (0 / 0)
                  New polls show Hillary taking a lead over Obama in a national poll for the first time since February and now polls are suggesting that independents who once were leaning Obama are now running to Grampy McCain.  

                  Looks like the naive Obamamites really called this one correctly when they said this Wright thing would have no effect and would blow over.  

                  by Rasputin on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:42:34 PM EDT
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                  With supporters like you, who needs Hil-bots?


                  Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley

                  by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:57:37 PM PDT

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            •  How's this then - a little demo data on 2000? (3+ / 0-)
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              Myz Lilith, kyril, Contra

              Gosharootie, 18-24 year olds broke evenly for Gore and Bush, 25-29 year olds favored Gore over Bush by 3 points, and Baby Boomers and Gen-Xers were within a couple points either way:

              http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/...

              In 2004, the youth solidly broke for Kerry by 7 points, while unfortunately Gen-X and Baby Boomers broke the other way by the same amount:

              http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/...

              Look, there are dumb people in every age group.  There are misguided people.  There are brilliant people who make assumptions and are right, and brilliant people who make assumptions and are wrong.

    •  You make the point, in reverse (3+ / 0-)
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      Young people (and their terrific energy and enthusiasm) are always with us. Thank goodness.

      In Hillaryland, half of them vote and work republican, most likely because they fail to see much difference. Barack, by encouraging their activism and inclusion in his campaign, is building a solid generation of new democrats.

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