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  •  Not just Germans (none)
    There are/were other ethnic groups who influenced the political conditions of the areas they settled by retaining political influences they brought.  Think of Minnesota (until recently).  The Finnish communists who organized workers on the iron range; the Norwegian and Swedish farmers who brought models of social democracy from Scandinavia.  Minnesota's politics looked quite like that for quite a while.  Yes, there was a social conservatism--Lutheranism does have it's conservative tendencies--but there was a quite generous welfare state that was probably among the closest to a Scandinavian model than any other in the U.S.

    There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action. *J.W. von Goethe

    by MAJeff on Fri Sep 03, 2004 at 10:56:17 AM PDT

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    •  A bit more (none)
      Part of what I wrote above is, of course, plainly obvious.  Whenever a group migrates to another geographical area, they will maintain the culture they know.  Interactions with new groups in the newly adopted home will necessarily transform the culture and practices of both groups.  

      However, one thing that also needs to be considered is how the Germans, Norwegians, Swedes and Finns all became "white" upon coming to the United States.  Thus, the longer any of those groups are in the country, the "whiter" they become, and the less German, etc.  So, the roots of the strong welfare state, of the immigrant experience, of not "always being in the middle class" are forgotten.

      There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action. *J.W. von Goethe

      by MAJeff on Fri Sep 03, 2004 at 11:04:14 AM PDT

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    •  Oh, certainly (none)
      I only used the Germans as an example, as that's the group I'm most familiar with in the context of this discussion.
    •  Finns in Michigan (none)
      The best story on Finns and the Labor Movement came out of the Upper Penisula of Michigan in Laurium and Calumet Michigan. If you go to you can find links to the history of the Labor Movement.  There was a tragedy involved as well.. a fire that killed many many people during a celebration.  
      •  Update (none)
        It is called the Italian Hall Fire.  1913.  Was not a fire but someone yelled fire and 58 children were killed in the stampede to the doors. It was a benefit for the striking miners' children.

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