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  •  I'm sorry, but (6+ / 0-)

    this argument always makes my blood boil.

    Every four years, we're told that this election is the most important one ever -- too important to let principles get in the way of victory.

    This is the argument that split the abolitionists and women's suffrage movements.  Women were told to wait their turn, now isn't the time, let the abolitionist movement prevail first.  And how much longer did it take for women to get the vote?

    And I remember many people blaming Mayor Newsom of San Francisco for costing Kerry the election in 2004.  If only the mayor hadn't pulled his "stunt" of allowing gay marriage in San Francisco.  Because 2004 was too important to let an issue like gay marriage take center stage.

    There is never a good time for revolution.

    •  Right, (0+ / 0-)
      forget trivial little things like the economy crashing, the desperate need to get off of fossil fuels, destroying the world's climate, occupying two  foreign countries and turning them into bloodbaths.

      No, the only important issue is gay marraige.

      Sorry, I'm all for it, but it's way the hell down on my list of priorities this year.

      •  Not what I said at all. (2+ / 0-)
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        I certainly did not mean to imply that gay marriage is the number one issue.  

        However...

        There are always issues of grave concern in every election cycle.  And when it comes to issues of civil rights, I think it's unfair -- and patronizing -- to tell the discriminated against minority (women, blacks, gays, et cetera) to just be patient, now isn't the time, there are more important issues.

        I'm not gay.  I was married in 2005.  No roadblocks for me.

        But exactly how long should my gay cousin have to wait for his rights to be "important" enough?  Or my gay friends?  Or my close family friends, who have been together for thirty years?

        I'm not saying we should put a hold on everything else until we've achieved equality for gays.  But we have to find a better way of dealing with these issues than by simply telling them, "Sorry, but there's more important stuff to deal with now.  Just sit tight."

        •  There are always issues of grave concern (0+ / 0-)
          True, but I really think the issues this cycle overshadow anything in my political lifetime. I only started paying attention in the early Reagan years, so I missed Civil Rights, Vietnam and the worst of Cold War nuclear crises.

          Last cycle was bad, but everything's gotten worse since then. I'm worried about our survival now, in a way I never have been before.

          But, assuming everything holds together, I really doubt it's going to be that long. Even 10 years ago, despite what this article implies, gay marriage wasn't on the political radar. Gays in the military was. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". I bet that'll change first, but marriage will be legal in more states and civil unions in even more within 10  years.

          So, sit tight and wait? No, agitate, push for rights, but sometimes you can get more, faster, by going slow than by trying for everything at once.

          And, personally and honestly, my opinion is probably partly because I really don't get the whole marriage thing. Relationships are important to me. Commitment is important. But I'm not religious, so that aspect isn't there. And the whole ceremonial business just leaves me cold. So I just don't feel the emotional connection to wanting actual marriage.
          I'm far more concerned with the other more tangible rights that go along with it, and with the other rights that gays have won in the last 30+ years.

          And I've rambled on far too long now...

          •  Every year at the Harris County Clerk's office (0+ / 0-)

            Every year in Houston a contingent goes to the County Clerk's office and applies for marriage licenses. I forget what day.
            My dentist and his lover went to Toronto to get married. It was in some GLBT media, but I don't know about the Houston Chronicle.

      •  If you're going to trust (2+ / 0-)
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        folks who won't take a stand on a civil rights issue to save the planet, then I submit you have quite an unpleasant surprise or two in your future.

        •  Then we're screwed. (0+ / 0-)
          And no I won't really be surprised.

          Since there's no one in politics on the national scene pushing gay marriage, I'm afraid I'm out of luck anyway.

          It seems like a purity troll issue to me. And I'm usually on the purity side. Shall I impose a "supports gay marriage" litmus test to any politician before backing them? Will I have to move to find one I can support? Or can I just pick the best one I find and nudge them in the right direction when I can?

          Most politicians, I suspect, even the good ones, just don't see it as a civil rights issue, so I'm not sure it shows the lack of moral fiber you imply.

          •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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            kimoconnor

            And I'm usually on the purity side. Shall I impose a "supports gay marriage" litmus test to any politician before backing them?

            No, but you should at least distribute your outrage wisely.

            Most politicians, I suspect, even the good ones, just don't see it as a civil rights issue, so I'm not sure it shows the lack of moral fiber you imply.

            Politicians? moral fiber? there you go again . . .

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