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  •  It is always a crapshoot (0+ / 0-)

    Abortion is the perfect example. Most states were on their way to legalization, nice and quiet. One Roe v Wade later, and we have decades of culture wars and the slow loss of ground. Gay marriage is sort of the same thing. Best to focus on small battles, win them thoroughly and build a base. Start with civil unions Get just one state to approve it. Then get marriage once it is well established and a generation grows up without the threatened disaster that the right-wing always brings up. Then force other states to recognize them at the risk of violating comity and not having their marriages recognized.

    Given that gays tend to be very strongly positioned economically, it just takes a libertarian or liberal idealogy, a need for tax revenues for residents, and a state could see the economic argument to allow the marriages.

    I think a maximilist approach is pretty much a guarantee of an anti-gay marriage amendment making it into the constitution. That would be the worst sort of nightmare for the cause anywhere.

    •  Well, a minimalist approach (1+ / 0-)
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      is actually the only possible way right now, since the Rethugs have most of the courts locked up for at least a generation.

      This is, perhaps, the silver lining: We have no choice but to win each tiny battle in such a way that it will never be fought again.

      •  Minimalism always leads to death (1+ / 0-)
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        If it weren't for us maximalists, you minimalists would all be Republicans. If people don't stand up and demand that civil rights be guaranteed for all NOW, then we'd always be left with the handwringers who worry if this is the right time. It is ALWAYS the right time to fight for civil rights.

        Maybe you dislike our stridency, but I am entitled to be married now, after 15 wonderful years with my partner, just as I was 15 years ago. Bigots like my father will NEVER concede that I am entitled to marry, no matter how slowly you go. And why should I wait for my rights? Perhaps if we took away EVERYONE'S right to marry, then you'd understand why queers should not have to continue to wait, hat in hand, hoping some bigoted straights don't kill us before we gets our rights.

        Like matter and anti-matter, Republicans and the truth seem unable to occupy the same space.

        by dykester on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:52:27 PM PDT

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    •  What do you mean by (0+ / 0-)

      "Given that gays tend to be very strongly positioned economically" ? Maybe that's true for gay men (though I've never seen or heard of statistics or research that supports your statement), but for dykes, we happen to be discriminated against because of gender AND orientation, which leaves most of us in the lower economic realms.

      Like matter and anti-matter, Republicans and the truth seem unable to occupy the same space.

      by dykester on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:45:39 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, that bothered me too (1+ / 0-)
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        Out, urban, professional, politically active gay men probably do tend to be strongly positioned economically. Many gays who don't fit those categories (and some who do) are far from it.

        Emphasis on the "out"...many who grow up gay in less affluent communities, around those who have had less exposure to higher education or diverse groups of people, are neither rich nor open about their sexuality.

        The stereotype of the rich gay is one of the memes continually used against gay rights.

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