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  •  Autism is NOT caused by vaccines (18+ / 0-)

    Early Thimerosal Exposure and Neuropsychological Outcomes at 7 to 10 Years
    William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Cristofer Price, Sc.M., Barbara Goodson, Ph.D., David K. Shay, M.D., M.P.H., Patti Benson, M.P.H., Virginia L. Hinrichsen, M.S., M.P.H., Edwin Lewis, M.P.H., Eileen Eriksen, M.P.H., Paula Ray, M.P.H., S. Michael Marcy, M.D., John Dunn, M.D., M.P.H., Lisa A. Jackson, M.D., M.P.H., Tracy A. Lieu, M.D., M.P.H., Steve Black, M.D., Gerrie Stewart, M.A., Eric S. Weintraub, M.P.H., Robert L. Davis, M.D., M.P.H., Frank DeStefano, M.D., M.P.H., for the Vaccine Safety Datalink Team

    And then this study came out to reinforce the macro study with a micro-study:

       Considered together the present results do not indicate pervasive developmental neurotoxicity following vaccine-level thimerosal injections in SJL mice, and provide little if any support for the hypothesis that thimerosal exposure contributes to the etiology of neurodevelopmental disorders.

    There are many journals out there. There is NO link, in any journal,that has gone through peer review, that shows a direct link between vaccines and autism. In fact, that first journal I posted, showed that there was absolutely NO link in all of the children they studied between autism rates and vaccination.

    The anti-vaccine crowd comes from the conservative sect of people that don't believe the government should mandate them to vaccinate their kids against deadly diseases.

    •  not suggesting a link between autism and vaccines (1+ / 0-)
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      myself, but Bobby Kennedy Jr. is not a conservative, last time I checked.  He may have changed his mind since his Rolling Stone article in 2005.

    •  While you are correct there is no proof (3+ / 0-)
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      there are hundreds of peer reviewed papers over the last decade that provide support for the notion of a link between the two. Only last summer did the mainstream scientific/medical communities reject the association based on large scale statistical studies like the one you linked. McCain's answer is reasonable and not likely to be a lie. He was just not fully up to speed on the topic. For that matter, neither was I. The last time I researched this issue, the answer was not definitive.

      "lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed"

      by yuriwho on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:35:37 PM PDT

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      •  2004 is when no connection was found, but (2+ / 0-)
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        I'll cede the point that this last statistical analysis, which occured at the end of last year, did nail the nail in the coffin, proving that autism rates and vaccination rates are not connected. I guess it does show, though, that he really is pandering.

    •  No No No, a thousand times no (3+ / 0-)
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      For every MD and PhD you line up here there are plenty who would cast doubt on this conclusion. And the notion that the anti-vaccine crowd is a conservative sect is complete and utter hogwash.

      They are concerned parents who, like myself, have children who have been stricken with autism, generally almost immediately after administration of a vaccine.

      This is NOT a conservative ideal, it is a human ideal. In fact, there has been no credible research to disprove a link between vaccines and autism. All the current research has been simply a case of being unable to find a link. That is not proof, not even evidence, that no link exists.

      Indeed the US department of health in recently released documents has in fact admitted that there is indeed such a link, and this has now been affirmed by recent court decisions in Georgia.

      According to U.S. Department of Health documents obtained by the Associated Press, the five vaccines Poling received aggravated a genetic mitochondrial condition, predisposing her to metabolic problems that manifested in worsening her brain function.

      Despite his ridiculous positions on a number of other issues, on Autism, McCain is on the money, and by purveying this denialist crap you are causing immeasurable damage to thousands of people across this nation.

      •  Just remember, thimerosal was removed (8+ / 0-)

        from all pediatric vaccines (with the possible exception of multi-dose vials of flu vaccine) in 2001. Given that autism is most commonly diagnosed before or around the age of 3, if thimerosal were causative in the majority of cases, we would have expected the incidence of autism to begin dropping preciptiously around 2004-2005. That hasn't happened. The epidemic continues, even though the population's exposure to thimerosal is now almost non-existent.

        It is of course likely that mercury is a factor, along with genetics, but the mercury we all need to be worried about is environmental mercury, the stuff spewing from factories and coal plants, falling down in our rain into our water and soil where it incorporates into the fish we eat and food we grow.

        We so much energy and venom has gone into vaccines versus the poisoning of our environment has never been clear to this public health professional and aunt to a severely autistic teenager.

        •  Sure and when (3+ / 0-)
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          you have to look into the face of a child who had speech until a couple of days after a vaccine but is now forever silent, then maybe it will be clear to you.

          That is the experience that has happened to thousands of people in this country and around the globe for 30 years.

          Thimerosol is only one of a variety of possible culprits. The truth is that the precise connection has not been determined, but the anectdotal evidence is overwhelming.

        •  Acutally, thimerosal was phased out of (3+ / 0-)
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          childhood vaccines starting in 2001, but existing stockpiles were not recalled or removed from use.  Even today, multi-dose vials of vaccines can contain 'trace' amounts of thimerosal, and you should assume there's some mercury in vaccines unless they are specifically labeled themerosal-free.  And then there's the good old flu shot (aggressively pushed for pregnant women, infants and toddlers) which still contains a full complement of thimerosal.  

          It should also be noted that the government settlement which has triggered so much discussion lately wasn't focused on mercury in the vaccines, but admitted that the vaccines themselves caused the child's autism.  

          "Going to church does not make us Christians any more than stepping into our garage makes us a car." --Rev R. Neville

          by catleigh on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 05:36:25 PM PDT

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      •  That statement (5+ / 0-)
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        allowed that particular case to settle, but it in no way states that vaccines cause autism.

        Indeed, if you read carefully, you'll see that they're saying it's plausible that an immune response combined with the mitochondrial disorder may have caused a problem for this one child - but an immune response can also be caused by a wild virus.

        Unless your child also had an underlying mitochondrial disorder, this case isn't a precedent for you.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:21:07 PM PDT

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    •  Have you read the article by (0+ / 0-)

      Robert Kennedy Jr. Deadly Immunity?

      There is quite a bit of correlation between the introduction of Thimerosal into children's vaccines and the rise in the number of autism cases. According to this article, autism was unknown until Thimerosal was added as a preservative.

      "Let us not be conservative with compassion. Be generous with compassion."

      by ilyana on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:48:34 PM PDT

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