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  •  No No No, a thousand times no (3+ / 0-)
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    For every MD and PhD you line up here there are plenty who would cast doubt on this conclusion. And the notion that the anti-vaccine crowd is a conservative sect is complete and utter hogwash.

    They are concerned parents who, like myself, have children who have been stricken with autism, generally almost immediately after administration of a vaccine.

    This is NOT a conservative ideal, it is a human ideal. In fact, there has been no credible research to disprove a link between vaccines and autism. All the current research has been simply a case of being unable to find a link. That is not proof, not even evidence, that no link exists.

    Indeed the US department of health in recently released documents has in fact admitted that there is indeed such a link, and this has now been affirmed by recent court decisions in Georgia.

    According to U.S. Department of Health documents obtained by the Associated Press, the five vaccines Poling received aggravated a genetic mitochondrial condition, predisposing her to metabolic problems that manifested in worsening her brain function.

    Despite his ridiculous positions on a number of other issues, on Autism, McCain is on the money, and by purveying this denialist crap you are causing immeasurable damage to thousands of people across this nation.

    •  Just remember, thimerosal was removed (8+ / 0-)

      from all pediatric vaccines (with the possible exception of multi-dose vials of flu vaccine) in 2001. Given that autism is most commonly diagnosed before or around the age of 3, if thimerosal were causative in the majority of cases, we would have expected the incidence of autism to begin dropping preciptiously around 2004-2005. That hasn't happened. The epidemic continues, even though the population's exposure to thimerosal is now almost non-existent.

      It is of course likely that mercury is a factor, along with genetics, but the mercury we all need to be worried about is environmental mercury, the stuff spewing from factories and coal plants, falling down in our rain into our water and soil where it incorporates into the fish we eat and food we grow.

      We so much energy and venom has gone into vaccines versus the poisoning of our environment has never been clear to this public health professional and aunt to a severely autistic teenager.

      •  Sure and when (3+ / 0-)
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        you have to look into the face of a child who had speech until a couple of days after a vaccine but is now forever silent, then maybe it will be clear to you.

        That is the experience that has happened to thousands of people in this country and around the globe for 30 years.

        Thimerosol is only one of a variety of possible culprits. The truth is that the precise connection has not been determined, but the anectdotal evidence is overwhelming.

      •  Acutally, thimerosal was phased out of (3+ / 0-)
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        childhood vaccines starting in 2001, but existing stockpiles were not recalled or removed from use.  Even today, multi-dose vials of vaccines can contain 'trace' amounts of thimerosal, and you should assume there's some mercury in vaccines unless they are specifically labeled themerosal-free.  And then there's the good old flu shot (aggressively pushed for pregnant women, infants and toddlers) which still contains a full complement of thimerosal.  

        It should also be noted that the government settlement which has triggered so much discussion lately wasn't focused on mercury in the vaccines, but admitted that the vaccines themselves caused the child's autism.  

        "Going to church does not make us Christians any more than stepping into our garage makes us a car." --Rev R. Neville

        by catleigh on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 05:36:25 PM PDT

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    •  That statement (5+ / 0-)
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      allowed that particular case to settle, but it in no way states that vaccines cause autism.

      Indeed, if you read carefully, you'll see that they're saying it's plausible that an immune response combined with the mitochondrial disorder may have caused a problem for this one child - but an immune response can also be caused by a wild virus.

      Unless your child also had an underlying mitochondrial disorder, this case isn't a precedent for you.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:21:07 PM PDT

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      •  The hell it doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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        what do you think autism is? It's a malfunction in the wiring of the brain. And in the case of the child at hand, that was exacerbated by the vaccine soup, which clearly resulted in the condition we describe today as autism.

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