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  •  In this case, (4+ / 0-)

    Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe's agriculture. He's a corrupt evil bastard that should be kicked out and jailed for the rest of his life.

    •  Indeed (4+ / 0-)

      Mugabe actively orchestrated measures (land restructuring) that have set the country on this insane path.  But in addition to sending the country's economy off a cliff, he has also become increasing autocratic and has instituted some of the most repressive legislation, particularly with regard to curtailing free media. It is horrific.  

      Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

      by Delilah on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:01:35 AM PDT

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      •  Do you think Mugabe (0+ / 0-)

        had no "help"?
        Who "helped" him?
        hmmm...
        Just Bush?
        naww.
        maybe they all bat for the same team?

        "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

        by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:27:34 AM PDT

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          •  CIA- The world fact book WE PLAY BOTH SIDES (0+ / 0-)

            The UK annexed Southern Rhodesia from the [British] South Africa Company in 1923. A 1961 constitution was formulated that favored whites in power. In 1965 the government unilaterally declared its independence, but the UK did not recognize the act and demanded more complete voting rights for the black African majority in the country (then called Rhodesia). UN sanctions and a guerrilla uprising finally led to free elections in 1979 and independence (as Zimbabwe) in 1980. Robert MUGABE, the nation's first prime minister, has been the country's only ruler (as president since 1987) and has dominated the country's political system since independence. His chaotic land redistribution campaign, which began in 2000, caused an exodus of white farmers, crippled the economy, and ushered in widespread shortages of basic commodities. Ignoring international condemnation, MUGABE rigged the 2002 presidential election to ensure his reelection.
            https://www.cia.gov/...

            "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:42:36 AM PDT

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            •  Sorry, this is not (3+ / 0-)
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              making much sense. Are you implying we installed Mugabe or convinced him to go on his homicidal, psychotic power trip?

              •  What do you mean (0+ / 0-)

                psycopaths control THE WORLD.
                Do you disagree?
                Psychos like psychos. Mussolini, Hitler,and Stalin are merely INFANTS in what we are facing.

                "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:51:16 AM PDT

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                •  It AMAZES (0+ / 0-)

                  me when I see paleo-liberals vote Obama and control themselves from throwing Bitlary off of a cliff, but as they say, "truth is stranger than fiction".

                  -kill your TV, surf WAY out from google.

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                  by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:53:33 AM PDT

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                  •  Okay... (2+ / 0-)
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                    I am guessing at this point there are some Ron Paul articles you can point everyone to, right?

                    I'll take your pseudo-cryptic response as meaning you have no specific answers to the questions you originally posed.

                    •  Please explain yourself. (0+ / 0-)

                      You are out of line, and not making any sense, and jumping huge gaps you can never land.
                      Howz that for cryptic mofo?
                      Letz go.

                      "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                      by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:04:22 AM PDT

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                      •  Look out! (2+ / 0-)
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                        The Blue Helmets are sneaking up right behind you!

                        •  Bitter? (0+ / 0-)

                          Angry?
                          racist?

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                          by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:06:30 AM PDT

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                          •  I'd say (1+ / 0-)
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                            you're definitely bitter and angry... at least when people call you on your bullshit.

                          •  okay, (0+ / 0-)

                            what is bullshit?

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                            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:14:52 AM PDT

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                          •  You asked several (0+ / 0-)

                            leading questions implying Mugabe had help from the outside. You have not supplied any specific answers.

                          •  you asked... (0+ / 0-)

                            >Barclays bank is helping to bankroll President Robert Mugabe's regime in Zimbabwe, providing millions of pounds of support for his vilified land reforms, The Observer can reveal. Mugabe's opponents describe the bank's activities as a 'disgrace' and an 'insult' to the millions who have suffered human rights abuses.

                            Barclays is the most high-profile of three British-based financial institutions, which, in total, have provided more than $1bn in direct and indirect funding to Mugabe's administration. The other two companies are Standard Chartered Bank and the insurance firm Old Mutual. According to influential newsletter Africa Confidential, that first disclosed the Barclays' loans, the British organisations provide an economic lifeline keeping Mugabe's regime afloat.

                            Black 'lied to board over secret Telegraph talks'

                            http://news.independent.co.uk/...

                            By David Usborne in Wilmington, Delaware

                            19 February 2004

                            Contacts between Conrad Black and the Barclay brothers regarding their possible acquisition of The Daily Telegraph were taking place at the same time that Lord Black was promising the board of its owner, Hollinger International, not to interfere with its plans for a disposal of its assets, it was claimed yesterday.

                            The allegation was made at the start of a highly charged trial in Wilmington, Delaware, which will determine whether Lord Black's proposed sale of a majority voting stake in Hollinger to David and Frederick Barclay should be allowed. The Hollinger board is trying to block the sale. Lord Black is expected to take the stand on Friday. A ruling is expected within about ten days.

                            Lawyers for Chicago-based Hollinger submitted into evidence two letters written by Lord Black to David Barclay in early November last year. They were written at the time that a special committee at Hollinger was laying bare allegations that Lord Black and three other executives at Hollinger had received unauthorised payments of $32m. The revelations sparked the crisis at Hollinger.

                            The surfacing in court of the letters suggested that the Barclays brothers and Lord Black were at least entertaining the notion of a deal between them far earlier than has previously been suggested. Last month Lord Black stunned Hollinger by announcing that he had, as the controlling shareholder of Hollinger, unilaterally agreed to sell his stake to the Barclays in a $466m deal.

                            Hollinger says Lord Black agreed in mid-November to a broad restructuring strategy under which, among other things, the company would hire the Lazard brokerage firm to canvass for a buyer of its assets. It also says that Lord Black expressly agreed not to undercut that process.

                            Gordon Paris, who replaced Lord Black as the chief executive officer of Hollinger in November and who became chairman last month, was asked by a lawyer for the company if he had previously seen the letters to the Barclays. "Absolutely not," he replied twice.

                            http://www.bilderberg.org/...

                            "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:43:22 AM PDT

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                          •  Sorry (3+ / 0-)
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                            I think you may have some cognitive difficulties.

                            Barclays Bank (which in my student days we organized against for their collaboration with the white regimes in South Africa and Zimbabwe) and the Barclay brothers have no relation to each other apart from sharing a name.

                            What the f*** are you talking about?

                            Hillary Clinton - More baggage than Wal Mart

                            by Lib Dem FoP on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:50:42 AM PDT

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                          •  wow. people are upset. :) (0+ / 0-)

                            British bank funds billions to Mugabe

                            Published: Jan. 29, 2007 at 12:52 AM

                            LONDON, Jan. 29 (UPI) -- Britain's Barclay bank provides millions of dollars to Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe's regime, and opponents say the bank's activities are a disgrace.

                            The funds being provided to Mugabe support his land reforms, The Observer reported. Mugabe's administration, known for human rights abuses, has reportedly received more than $1 billion in direct or indirect funding from Barclay's, a high-profile British financial institution.

                            http://www.upi.com/...
                            what else can I do here?
                            ;)

                            "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:58:23 AM PDT

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                          •  Who has the (0+ / 0-)

                            "cognitive difficulties"?
                            BARCLAYS BANK BANKROLLED MUGABE.
                            get it?????

                            "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:59:33 AM PDT

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                          •  Barclays (1+ / 0-)
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                            Barclays Bank has always been a big player in southern Africa. When there was white minority rule in S Africa and Rhodesia, it supported the white regimes. When that trade hit their British operations because of the boycott, they divested some of their interests. Majority rule in both countries allowed them to be more open and as businessmen, they carry on trading with whoever is in power.

                            After that YOU posted an article about the Barclay brothers, the owners of the Daily Telegraph in the UK. They are not Barclays bank. They have nothing to do with Barclays Bank (unless they have an account there) The article has nothing to do with Zimbabwe. This diary is about a country called Zimbabwe in southern Africa and elections held there on Saturday. WHY did you post something which has no relevance to the discussion? WHAT point were you trying to make?

                            Hillary Clinton - More baggage than Wal Mart

                            by Lib Dem FoP on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:15:52 AM PDT

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                          •  Pardon? (0+ / 0-)

                            After that YOU posted an article about the Barclay brothers, the owners of the Daily Telegraph in the UK. They are not Barclays bank. They have nothing to do with Barclays Bank (unless they have an account there) The article has nothing to do with Zimbabwe.

                            This is not true.
                            This is what I posted...

                            Barclays bank is helping to bankroll President Robert Mugabe's regime in Zimbabwe, providing millions of pounds of support for his vilified land reforms, The Observer can reveal. Mugabe's opponents describe the bank's activities as a 'disgrace' and an 'insult' to the millions who have suffered human rights abuses.

                            annnd,

                            The reclusive Barclay brothers, Sir David and Sir Frederick, are the richest people in the Channel Islands.

                            They are in joint 42nd place with meat tycoons Lord and Edmund Vesty, in the Sunday Times list of Britain's richest.

                            In January, the Barclays made a much-publicised unsuccessful £260m bid for Lord Black's Hollinger Group, which includes The Daily Telegraph.

                            It takes the top CI spot from Guernsey-based David Rowland, whose £660m fortune remains at last year's level.

                            http://news.bbc.co.uk/...
                            AND if you are trying to separate the two, YOU are messing with truth.
                            the Barclays, are THE BARCLAYS.

                            "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:27:55 AM PDT

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                          •  Two (three) different Barclays (0+ / 0-)

                            Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay may be super-rich proprietors who enjoy a life of secluded luxury, but their fortune is undoubtedly self-made.

                            Born 10 minutes apart in 1934 of Scottish Catholic parents, they grew up in an unsalubrious part of Shepherds Bush, west London. After leaving school early, the brothers worked as painters and decorators before becoming estate agents.

                            They moved into property development, making a fortune from snapping up boarding houses and converting them into hotels.

                            Guardian

                            Barclays Bank has its origins in 1690.

                            Apart from sharing a name, what have Barclays Bank and Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay got to do with each other?

                            I think you may have difficulty telling a psychopath from a cycle path so you may like to step away from the keyboard now and have a little rest.

                            Hillary Clinton - More baggage than Wal Mart

                            by Lib Dem FoP on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:59:50 AM PDT

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                          •  Same family (0+ / 0-)

                            Yes, this is why they have amassed so much wealth.
                            Bloodlines baby.

                            "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:42:31 PM PDT

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                          •  The article link keeps coming up 404 (1+ / 0-)
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                            Anyways, that a bank was involved with Zimbabwe doesn't show that they instigated Mugabe's deadly land reform program or had any control over it. More than likely they were soulless hacks who got a great deal on tobacco exports-- but maybe the article has more information.

                          •  heh. (0+ / 0-)

                            This is hillarious.
                            yeah. The people who bankroll it, have no say.
                            lol.

                            "98% of Americans support the use of mass transit by others." - The Onion

                            by Velvet R Evolver on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:07:48 AM PDT

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        •  What's your point here? (5+ / 0-)
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          Actually, this is one thing that we can't blame Bush for.  Mugabe receives zero international support, except for 'winks-and-nods' from South Africa.

          Although if Zim had some oil, maybe the neocons would have taken an active interest in getting rid of that evil bastard...

          Mugabe came to power by leading a movement that at one time claimed to be 'for the people'; and once they got into power, well...they proved to be anything but.  They turned Africa's Bread Basket into a basketcase.

          Inflation is well over 100,000% in Zim, and nobody is really counting anymore; and they haven't been since 2002.  Believe me, there are many people in this world who can manage to make Dubya look like a Boy Scout.  Mugabe is amongst the worst of them.

          In one of the most beautiful and fertile lands in the world - he and his ilk have managed to push the country into starvation, while kidnapping and torturing their political opponents.  While nobody in the international community has seemed to care...

          The people of Zimbabwe had to deal with brutal colonial oppression, and once they threw that off?  They've since had to deal with strong-arm thugs, who've somehow even managed to make their lives infinitely more miserable than it was under British occupation.

          We can't even begin to imagine how horrible it is there, and trying to turn this over onto Bush just makes us look silly and ridiculous, if not outright stupid.

          •  A lot more (1+ / 0-)
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            Mugabe has had a lot more than just winks and nods from Mbeke. South Africa is virtually bankrolling Zim. Directly through things like electricity supplies and loans and indirectly through the vast numbers (in the millions) of refugees who work in the lowest paid jobs in SA and send back food to their families.

            Hillary Clinton - More baggage than Wal Mart

            by Lib Dem FoP on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:03:12 AM PDT

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