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  •  Eh I don't know (1+ / 0-)
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    Kos, as a fellow vet you know that the military is extrememly insulated, and in those days, it was really easy to be ignorant of things that were going on in the civilian world.  

    That was before cable and before the internet.  And, I think he lived mainly in places that weren't as affected by the civil rights movement.  Arizona didn't have a large black population, the Navy officer corps didn't have a large Black population.  He graduated college in 58.  When would he have realistically had long conversations on civil rights issues?  When would he have realistically had an impetus to educate himself on the issues?

    "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

    by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 11:30:25 AM PDT

    •  this vet agrees (1+ / 0-)
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      it really is a totally different dynamic in the military

      krnewman.blogspot.com

      by krnewman on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 11:33:35 AM PDT

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    •  This Was a HUGE Controversary... (0+ / 0-)

      In Arizona at the time. The MIC/Pulliam-owned newspaper published a year of black hatred and bigotry on its front pages over this issue.

      Look no further than Wiki if you want to know the truth about McCain's involvement in MIC propaganda at the time:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    •  As a Fellow vet... (2+ / 0-)
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      USAF (1974-76 Hon Disch) I find your excusing McCain's ignorance of the civil rights movement, I hate to say, revolting!

      "That was before cable and before the internet".
      And before newspapers, and radio, and TV? Its a wonder that anyone knew anything before cable and the internet.

      "he lived mainly in places that weren't as affected by the civil rights movement".
      Where was that? Iceland?

      "the Navy officer corps didn't have a large Black population".
      Gee, I wonder why. Maybe dem darkies just didn't have what it took to be a naval aviator?

      "He graduated college in 58.  When would he have realistically had long conversations on civil rights issues?
      Brown v. Board of Ed - 1954
      Montgomery Bus Boycott - 1955
      The Little Rock Nine - 1957

      " When would he have realistically had an impetus to educate himself on the issues?" Never, that's why he's a Republican!

      I'm a YellaDawg Democrat...no matter how hard Hill & Bill try, I will not vote for McBush

      by DaNorr on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:21:02 PM PDT

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      •  I seriously doubt (0+ / 0-)

        that any of those issues were covered in Annapolis.  The academies are extremely engineering focused.

        I also hope you aren't trying to blame McCain for the Naval Officer recruiting standards between 1958 and 1976.

        I grew up in a state that is 95% white. I went to a college that was 95% white.  When you live in that environment, racial issues aren't covered in the newspapers, they are barely touched on in the news.  And, it was barely touched by the civil rights movement.

        "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

        by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:29:33 PM PDT

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        •  You mean they don't read newspapers in (2+ / 0-)
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          Annapolis? No TV or radio news? The national news certainly covered the civil rights movement. After all, when Eisenhower sent Federal Troops to Little Rock in 1957 it was all over the news. Now, if you have your head in the ground, then everything goes over it.

          Nowhere did I blame McCain for the RACIST recruiting standards of the Navy between 1776 and 1976. He was just taking advantage of a system that gave advantages to white males at the expense of everyone else. The fact that he is a member of a Party that is against steps to mitigate white male preference does say something about him.

          I'm a YellaDawg Democrat...no matter how hard Hill & Bill try, I will not vote for McBush

          by DaNorr on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:07:11 PM PDT

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          •  what he "took advantage of" (0+ / 0-)

            was the fact his dad and grandfather were Naval Admirals.

            I would have bet that there was maybe one TV per dorm building in Annapolis in the 1950s - if that.  I am sure newspapers were available, but staying ignorant probably wasn't hard.  And, judging by McCain's college grades, which fall under the Kerry line in Sub-Bushian territory, he probably wasn't the most astute student in Annapolis.

            I'm not excusing him for being ignorant on the matter.  Only pointing out that ignorance is very possible.

            "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

            by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:19:23 PM PDT

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            •  I agree, Ignorance is Possible.... (2+ / 0-)
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              Especially ignorance of things that are of little no interest to oneself...

              And, yes, the fact that both his dad and granddad were Naval Admirals gave him an advantage over other white males who did not share a similar family history.

              Still, if his dad or granddad were black, I wonder if his individual capabilities would have been enough to allow him to earn his wings.

              BTW, how much longer do you think it will be before capitalism actually makes freedom, individuality and the pursuit of values POSSIBLE? So far, in America at least, it seems to have had the opposite effect.

              I'm a YellaDawg Democrat...no matter how hard Hill & Bill try, I will not vote for McBush

              by DaNorr on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:45:51 PM PDT

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              •  It is possible (0+ / 0-)

                Not for everyone, but for anyone.  In our system, the overwhelming majority of people are free to pursue what they want to.  Some do, some don't.

                in the other economic systems, that choice isn't available.

                "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

                by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:50:03 PM PDT

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                •  The simple fact is John McCain, (0+ / 0-)
                  the dense, intentionally ignorant, incurious, intemperate, incompetent, propped-up mealy-mouthed and generally out-of-touch, has no business in the position the CIC, much less claiming the mantle of CIC. Instead he needs to go on tour to explain the benefits of affirmative action for white, frat-boy admiral's sons. Five planes. One of them engaging enemy power lines. He should have never been a POW because, in the truly rational and fair world of right-libertarian fantasy, he should have been flying a desk. What else is there to be said?

                  Regarding the Rule of Law, I can be considered a single issue voter.

                  by James Kresnik on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:51:02 PM PDT

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