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  •  so my problem is i don't agree with you? (0+ / 0-)

    that's hardly a problem is it? isn't it normal? you must not be married...

    •  Sigh. No, the problem is that you (2+ / 0-)
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      are irritating everyone who reads this thread with your apparently deliberate (by now) missing of the point.

      This is not, I'm sure, your problem. It is, however, a problem you are inflicting on everyone else.

      Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is.

      by Canadian Reader on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:59:53 PM PDT

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      •  irritating?? (0+ / 0-)

        the point i keep, according to you, missing: children were at risk. this group is a known and repeated offender. they are a sect and one of their main reasons for existence is pedophilia and the abuse of women. CPS acted well within their mandate by removing those children from what was an obviously dangerous and abusive situation in order to make sure they can be protected.

        did i miss anything?

        my point: since the evidence against this group is so overwhelming, then surely citations against each family accused of abuse could have been produced. if not, that is troublesome to me.

        i am sorry if that is irritating to you.

        •  I should know better than to reply, but... (1+ / 1-)
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          If you'd read anything at all about this group, you'd know that there weren't any "families" as you understand the term. That would require a degree of autonomy that was entirely missing. It wasn't that a lot of individual families were all of them, each one separately, abusing their children in private. That would have been a situation calling for multiple warrants.

          The children of this town, however, were completely subject to Warren Jeffs; thanks to the cult-mindset, nobody dared to protect any child that he decided to abuse. The only way to stop him was to take all the children to safety.

          The shocking thing here is not that they were removed, but that it took so (expletive deleted) long to get around to it. It's been notorious for years; young girls were being forcibly "married" and young boys ejected to homelessness, and everybody in the region knew about the toxic setup, and nobody ever got up the gumption to do anything until now.

          I don't know what changed. Maybe a bribe wasn't paid, maybe whichever influential local figure Jeffs was blackmailing died, who knows what the hell happened to make action possible. All I know is, I'm very glad somebody finally rescued those kids.

          Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is.

          by Canadian Reader on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:56:52 PM PDT

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          •  actually i believe warren jeffs is in jail (1+ / 0-)
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            but that is beside the point. yes, you are probably absolutely correct that this was a nest of snakes and something needed to be done. why, oh why then show up with a warrant to arrest ONE GUY and for CPS to look at two children???? why? that is all i'm asking. sounds to me like there was more than enough evidence (if what you say is true true, rather than just internet/tabloids true) to come up with a warrant to do what they did, which is essentially take the whole town away in buses.

            thanks for your long reply. clearly you feel very strongly that there was sufficient justification to make an exception here. i feel equally strongly that i don't EVER want the cops to have to make that type of judgment call. i am much more afraid of cops than of any criminals out there. i don't think it's worth it to  bend our few remaining liberties. if those children were being abused, then they had been abused for years. why not just wait two more days and get the proper warrant? or camp CPS in there for two days while the proper documents were issued? again, i am sure you understand my take, and i sure as hell understand yours. we simply disagree. thanks again for being polite and not just calling me an asshole like several others. cheers.

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