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  •  Mayor Wendel begged them not to come... (0+ / 0-)

    Not only did members show up, but due to the recent Columbine shooting many gun wingnuts showed up.

    Were you there?  I was.  It was painful.  Many people suffered.  I have a gesture for you.  I won't bother though.  I just hope no one you love is shot down in high school.

    •  A few questions: (1+ / 0-)
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      Number one, did you even read the law.  Columbine happened 11 days before the meeting.  They had already sent out the notice; by New York State law, they had to hold the meeting.  They canceled everything but the voting members meeting.  And, had they had wiggle room to get out of the meeting, I'm pretty sure they would have done that as well.

      Number two, your last line:

      I just hope no one you love is shot down in high school.

      I am sorry that you had to suffer through the tragedy.  But, how did Heston cause this?  How did the NRA cause this?  Did they personally come and pull the trigger?  Did they personally give the guns to those two psychopaths?  No.  They stood up for the Second Amendment.  That's it.  

      Nobody wants to point the blame where it should have been-right at the two kids and possibly their parents.  Everyone wants to talk about the NRA, and the movie industry, and our 'culture of violence'.  But nobody looks at the fact that we had entertainment like that in the 70's, the 60's, the 50's, and so on, and you never heard of a school shooting or kid-on-kid violence like this.  They had just as much access, if not more-after all, there weren't any gun control laws in effect.

      Yet, bring up parenting in this country and you're insensitive.  Bring up the fact that parents want to be best friends nowadays instead of parents, and you're out of touch.  

      When these things happen, why don't we stop decrying the access of guns, and all the 'big culture' items, and start focusing on the 'small culture' items-that is, parenting, school environments, and how people are treated by those who actually know them and not some big studio or advocacy group in a place many of us will never visit.  Maybe then, we'll start solving some of these problems.

      Conservative since 1992. Open-minded since birth.

      by ShowMe on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:20:17 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah. (0+ / 0-)

        Just what we needed.  Gunmongers invading our city after one of the worst tragedies of all time.

        I can see your silly ass can't connect with people dying.  

        You rant about other stuff.  But my fellow students died.  Rant about that D-Bag.

        •  Yeah. You're right. (1+ / 0-)
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          After all, I served in the Navy.  I could never connect with anyone close to me dying.  I've never had members on my ship who died in tragic accidents.  I never came home during school training to find my roommate's body hanging from his rack.

          I can't connect with anyone dying in my own personal life.  I never had to go down to my grandfather's house and find his body laying on the floor, or deal with the death of both of my grandmothers in the same year.

          It is you, and solely you, that has had a stream of crap poured down upon their lives.

          You see, I'm a silly insignificant nothing who sits up in my ivory tower and seems to think that maybe the NRA didn't have anything to do with it, and it might have actually been the people in Eric and Dylan's lives that affected them.  Damn me, my use of logic, and my understanding of how the world works.

          Goodness gracious, you're an arrogant one, thinking that everyone who might disagree with you does so because they don't understand what you're going or have already went through.

          One last time, try to realize something: it was either have the voting members meeting, or violate the law.  Those were the choices.  So, they cancelled everything except the actual meeting that they had to have per the law of New York State, their headquarters state that they have to conform with.  The stuff that Michael Moore blatantly splices together did not happen.  He [GASP] lied.  Read the speech.  Heston said that they, the members of the NRA, were suffering along with Columbine because their membership comprises every neighborhood of America.  He wasn't coming there to rub noses in it, or anything else.  It was a meeting that had to be held, per the law-you know, that thing that seems to be held sacrosanct by people like you until it no longer fits your needs.

          I feel sorry that you had to go through that.  But I'm not going to coddle you or baby you.  I look at you as an adult, and capable of being able to rise above that.  You're playing the victim card, as if nobody else has ever had to suffer tragedy or loss.  You're compounding it by blaming people that had not a tinker's dam to do with it.  Grow up, do some factchecking, and realize that maybe not everyone is out to get you.

          Conservative since 1992. Open-minded since birth.

          by ShowMe on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:42:46 PM PDT

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          •  WOW!!! (0+ / 0-)

            I must have dreamed up all the members protesting their rights to have guns. even after the tragedy.  I don't know what I was thinking.

            Your support of them becomes clear now though.  Thanks.

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