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  •  Listeria can grow in cold temperatures (1+ / 0-)
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    That's what make it so dangerous.  Pasteurize and you kill it before it gets started.

    Listeria monocytogenes

    Listeria monocytogenes is a bacterium commonly found in soil, stream water, sewage, plants, and food.[1] Each bacterium is Gram-positive and rod-shaped. Listeria are known to be the bacteria responsible for listeriosis, a rare but lethal food-borne infection that has a devastating mortality rate of 25%[2](Salmonella, in comparison, has a less than 1% mortality rate[3]). They are incredibly hardy and able to grow in temperatures ranging from 4°C (39°F), the temperature of a refrigerator, to 37°C (99°F), the body's internal temperature[1]. Furthermore, listerosis's deadliness can be partially attributed to the infection's ability to spread to the nervous system and cause meningitis.[1] Finally, Listeria has a particularly high occurrence rate in newborns because of its ability to infect the fetus by penetrating the endothelial layer of the placenta.[2]

    Freedom IS free... it is only tyrants that demand we pay so dearly.

    by No Gods No Masters on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:10:53 PM PDT

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    •  Did Listeria (3+ / 0-)
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      Account for 100% of the "approximately one quarter of the foodborne illness could be attributed to raw milk and dairy products" prior to pasteurization?

      Like I said, you're quoting a government agency with an agenda that is making a sweeping claim with no solid evidence to back it up. Pasteurization was one thing that was introduced in the 1930s. So was refrigeration. So was motorized transport of milk from farms to dairies. Probably a few other changes occurred during that time frame.

      Which of those things had the most impact is open to study and debate. Assuming that pasteurization was the one and only, much less the most important, factor is just that, an assumption.

      Pasteurization may be necessary  for milk being consumed hundred of miles and days later from the cows that produced it. Milk being consumed a couple of miles and a few hours later is a very different activity.

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        Probably a few other changes occurred during that time frame

        Like disinfectants.

        And smooth, easy to disinfect, stainless steel vats.

        And laws requiring dumping milk from sick cows.

        And regulations that require farm inspections.


        Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

        by mataliandy on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 07:00:36 AM PDT

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    •  listeria (0+ / 0-)
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      In spite of of order 1 million people consuming raw milk in the US, a FOIA request to the CDC on raw milk outbreaks did not list a single listeria illness from raw milk over a 13 year period.

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      Listeria was present in the bulk tank raw milk of a manufacturing-grade dairy equipped only to produced process dairy products; bulk tank raw milk from dairies equipped to sell milk as a beverage did not contain the organism.

      Some cases of listeria have been blamed on raw milk or cheeses made from raw milk, with absolutely no evidence that raw milk was the cause and even evidence to the contrary.  

      -6.25, -6.36 Worst. President. Dictator. Ever.

      by whitis on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:20:27 PM PDT

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