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  •  If you mean by "freedom of the press" (0+ / 0-)

    what exists in the US, then I have no problem with the elected leaders of a country controlling the public airwaves.  

    Like I said up thread, I'm not deluded.  Rather, I have an entirely different conception of human rights and State duties than you do.

    It's not an issue of either of us having or acting in bad faith.  We profoundly disagree on issues of power, freedom and human subjectivity and what they mean, that's all.

    The IMF is a loan shark, bill collector, and repo man all rolled into one.

    by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:18:08 PM PDT

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    •  How about descato laws? (0+ / 0-)

      While most Latin American countries have elminiated descato laws - laws probhibited criticizing the government or politicians, Chavez has strengthened them.  

      •  If freedom of the press gets in the way (0+ / 0-)

        of the material and spiritual progress of the population, then it's not sacrosanct.  Freedom of the press cannot mean the freedom of capital to say and do whatever it wants, and to shape the news to its own purposes, which is the defeat of Leftist parties that challenge capital's dominance over labor.

        Look at what the corporate press here does to Democratic candidates, who are pro-capitalist but want to give everyone health care and a slightly higher wage at the expense of corporate profit margins.  Look at what they did to Bill Clinton, to Gore, to Kerry and Edwards, to Hillary and Obama now, not to mention the near blackout on Edwards when he was still in the race.

        Many of them are nothing but hacks with corporate masters, house pets owned by institutional Wall Street investors.

        I'm aware of what Latin America does, and also of the OAS and other US run operations, not to mention the long propaganda arm of the CIA.

        If the people don't like Chavez or his party, then they can oust him in an election.  But capital cannot be allowed to destroy a socialist government from within, and if it tries, then the government, the duly elected representative of the population, can and should fight back.

        That said, I'm pretty familiar with the Venezuelan constitution, and I don't recall any absolute right of journalists or corporate broadcasters to say or do whatever they like.

        The IMF is a loan shark, bill collector, and repo man all rolled into one.

        by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:47:40 PM PDT

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        •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

          just wow.  

          •  So what is your counterposition, that the (0+ / 0-)

            people allow their democratically elected government to be undermined by multinational corporations seeking  to maximize profit by building a political climate conducive to the interests of capital as opposed to labor?

            People can make all the arguments about a 4th Estate as much as they like.  There is no "free and independent press" when the press is, in fact, a business enterprise with all that that entails.

            The focus on the rights of the press obscures the underlying relationship between capital and labor.

            The IMF is a loan shark, bill collector, and repo man all rolled into one.

            by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 07:44:16 AM PDT

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