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  •  She Would Do That (2+ / 0-)
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    if it would ensure a victory for her.

    "$hit kickers voted twice for a retard that they wanted to have a beer with, and the rest of us have to suffer the consequences!" Bill Maher

    by CityLightsLover on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:31:38 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, and it's not just (8+ / 0-)

      Hillary surrogates who are saying it.

      This morning on Today, Clinton said that "more people have voted for me."

      Very careful wording that allows her to include Michigan.

      Off course Lauer called her on it.  NOT.  NEVER.

      •  Did He Really?! (1+ / 0-)
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        Well, give Matt Lauer the blue ribbon for the day!

        "$hit kickers voted twice for a retard that they wanted to have a beer with, and the rest of us have to suffer the consequences!" Bill Maher

        by CityLightsLover on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:36:05 PM PDT

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      •  What will they say May 7 when Obama overtakes (3+ / 0-)
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        them again using their own distorted math?

        Don't Legitimize Fox News.
        "Democrats have the heart to care."

        by jeepdad on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:40:28 PM PDT

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        •  They will say, Oh he is the black candidate! nt. (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Popular vote vs. delegates (cont) (5+ / 0-)

            Here are ALL the states that did NOT have primaries to date. All of them had caucases.
            CAUCUS STATES:
            WA Obama 68%
            HI Obama 76%
            AK Obama 74%
            ME Obama 59%
            MN Obama 67%
            IA Obama 38% Clinton 29%
            ID Obama 80%
            UT Obama 57%
            CO Obama 67%
            WY Obama 61%
            ND Obama 61%
            NE Obama 68%
            KS Obama 74%
            NM Clinton 51% Obama 49%
            OR Clinto 51%, but primary upcoming.

            Just how does one recognize these pro-Obama states as playing a role in determining the nominee if an overall popular vote is used as the gauge for nomination? PLAY BY THE RULES.

            It's delegate count or I'm taking to the streets in protest.

            The turtle was tight in its shell for a long time. But at last its legs waved in the air, reaching for something to pull it over. -Steinbeck (Grapes of Wrath)

            by Ma Joad on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:12:15 PM PDT

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            •  God Have Mercy On Their Souls (5+ / 0-)

              If the Superdelegates go for Clinton and she loses in November.

              I don't think it would be an exaggeration to suggest that it would end the Democratic party as we know it.


              You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

              by karateexplosions on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:19:37 PM PDT

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              •  Look at how absurd the popular vote estimates are (0+ / 0-)

                Take two states, one with a primary, one with a caucus.

                MINNESOTA (caucus)
                Popular vote estimates:
                Obama 142,109
                Clinton 68,994
                TOTAL 211,103

                NEW HAMPSHIRE (primary)
                Popular votes (actual votes)
                Obama 104,815
                Clinton 112,404
                TOTAL 217,219

                The population of Minnesota is over 5 million.
                The population of New Hampshire is just over1 million.

                The total estimated votes in Minnesota should be closer to 5 TIMES MORE than 211,103.

                Popular vote breaks the rules and is nowhere near an accurate assessmet of outcome.

                The turtle was tight in its shell for a long time. But at last its legs waved in the air, reaching for something to pull it over. -Steinbeck (Grapes of Wrath)

                by Ma Joad on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:36:08 PM PDT

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                •  Real Caucuses Are Time-Intensive (0+ / 0-)

                  It's not just walking into a polling place any time during the day, coloring in an oval or pushing a button, then walking out to go about the rest of your business.

                  Caucuses involve meeting at a specific time, listening to speeches, standing in corners with other supporters, tallying up support, maybe realigning with other supporters if you fail to clear 15%... It's just a whole different animal.  I don't think you can make such a direct comparison.


                  You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

                  by karateexplosions on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:04:15 PM PDT

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                  •  You missed the point. I approve of caucuses. (1+ / 0-)
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                    The point is that an ARTIFICIAL popular vote is not a popular vote at all. Popular vote has nothing to do with choosing the nominee except WITHIN state.

                    So...those caucuses and the DELEGATES they produced deserve MORE value not less.

                    Delegates are the scores in the nomination, NOT popular vote.

                    The turtle was tight in its shell for a long time. But at last its legs waved in the air, reaching for something to pull it over. -Steinbeck (Grapes of Wrath)

                    by Ma Joad on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:24:14 PM PDT

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      •  Just had an election here, Nancy Archer Won (0+ / 0-)

        In fact, it was unanimous.

        Here's the tally.

        Nancy Fowler Archer - 1.
        Other - 0.

        More people have voted for Nancy.  

        No one else was on the ballot, so its

        Nancy - 100%
        Everyone else that could have run - 0%

        Good thing too.  She can obliterate things when she's not happy.

        http://www.youtube.com/...

        Think of the constitution as a levee. Think of our democracy as New Orleans.

        by Into The Woods on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:55:45 PM PDT

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