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  •  Not so (4+ / 0-)
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    corvo, Drgrishka1, brklyngrl, costello7

    This is actually a case where being more "informed," i.e. hearing highly experienced criminal defense attorneys tearing down witnesses, makes one less able to know the truth.

    Two public servants, bestowed with firearms to defend the peace, used those weapons to murder a man who posed no threat to them. This isn't bad judgment.

    "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

    by Marshall on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:53:07 AM PDT

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    •  Oh, please (3+ / 0-)
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      Treg, Drgrishka1, Johhny OMA

      I assume from your conclusory statement, then, that you were in the courtroom and had a better oppportunity to assess all the evidence than did the judge?  No?

    •  This is nonsensical (2+ / 0-)
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      Treg, Drgrishka1

      First of all, trials are not about the truth, they are about proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  The guilty often go free, that's how we've set the system up.  Are you proposing that there be a different standard when police are the defendants?

      Second, are you seriously saying that knowing less makes you more able to judge?

    •  Nonsense (2+ / 0-)
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      GOTV, Treg

      There are facts like behavior of Mr. Bell and his party, auditory perceptions, timing, etc.

      •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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        corvo, EastCoastShock

        I agree with you. Because drunk people coming from a bar deserve to be killed. You can't blame the police. It's natural to shoot any black guy caught out late at night. Don't they just realize they should protect themselves by staying inside after dark? You can't blame us for jumping to the understandable conclusion: they have a gun! They're going to kill us!

        "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

        by Marshall on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:10:01 AM PDT

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        •  No, they don't "deserve" to be killed (1+ / 0-)
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          Treg

          But their demeanor may shed light on the question of whether the cops committed a manslaughter or a mistake.

          •  "Deserve" (1+ / 0-)
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            corvo

            You and others are jumping on my term "deserved to be killed."

            LET ME BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. When three policemen shoot an unarmed man and escape sanction of any kind, the judge or jury is saying "when you acted, you believed that the victim deserved to be killed. That was a reasonable belief."

            In other words, the man deserved death. His own actions brought his demise. It's not your fault.

            "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

            by Marshall on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:15:19 AM PDT

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            •  Not at all... The judge expressed no opinion (2+ / 0-)
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              GOTV, Treg

              on what the dead man deserved.  AT MOST, he expresses an opinion on whether, if one were in the officers' shoes, deadly force was a reasonable option.  The question would be the same had Mr. Bell died, or simply been wounded.  So it is not what he deserved but what police perceived.

              •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)

                deadly force was a reasonable option=deserved to be killed.

                Those two statements mean literally the same. This is not a matter of debate--that's what the words mean.

                "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

                by Marshall on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:23:13 AM PDT

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                •  No they don't (1+ / 0-)
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                  If I go hunting and kill someone because I mistake him for a bear, it does not mean that he deserved to die.  If a cop kills a crazy-acting schizophrenic, the cop may be reasonable, but that does not mean that a sick person "deserved" to die.

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