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  •  so let me get this straight (1+ / 0-)
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    gogol

    the voters in FL and MI are going to be so mad about whether a few hundred people get to attend a big shindig in Denver that they will vote against their own interest to exact revenge on the other 48 states of the union for not allowing them to break the rules?

    Bush repealed Godwin's Law with a Signing Statement.

    by Mad Kossack on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:30:03 AM PDT

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    •  No, but there are plenty who will ... (0+ / 0-)

      choose not to vote (or vote McCain) because the national party and the party's nominee are as dismissive about counting out votes as you are.

      I'll vote for the nominee, but I know at least four people who have changed (or dropped) party registration because the idea of belonging to a party that couldn't find a way to count their vote was less than democratic.

      I am an Edwards Democrat.

      by ThirstyGator on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:33:20 AM PDT

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      •  their votes would have counted (5+ / 0-)

        if they had elected party leaders in FL who were not blatantly breaking the rules.   The rules were written agreed to long before the votes were cast.

        Florida and Michigan knew what the consequences were for breaking the rules.  Yet, they chose to do it anyway.

        I'd be sympathetic to the cause of both states if I heard any sort of "gee, we really fucked up. I guess we need to play by the rules in the future." coming from the party leaders of those states. There is no contrition, no sense of shame, no recognition that THEY CAUSED THIS DAMN PROBLEM in the first place!   All I hear is that "we're going to ramrod ourselves into a position to determine who the party nominee will be", which was exactly the attitude that caused them to break the rules in the first place.

        Bush repealed Godwin's Law with a Signing Statement.

        by Mad Kossack on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:41:42 AM PDT

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        •  so damn the electoral votes, full steam ahead! (0+ / 0-)

          Mad Kossack doesn't like the attitude, let's move forward!

          I am an Edwards Democrat.

          by ThirstyGator on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:45:21 AM PDT

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          •  So apparently it is OK to threaten the Democrats (2+ / 0-)
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            by saying you will withhold your votes from the party's nominee if you are not allowed to blatantly break the rules????   Very helpful!  Very conciliatory!

            I'm sure that eventually there will be some sort of compromised reached that will allow some delegates from FL and MI to attend the convention.  That's what this is really about anyway.  It's not about "counting the votes".   It's about the superdelegates (the elected officials in FL and MI who actually caused this mess!!) getting to attend the convention and be big shots.   They jumped to the front of the line because they wanted to have the pivotal votes in choosing the nominee.   That didn't work out for them.  Now they want to work out a deal at the end of the process where they get to choose the nominee.  It ain't going to happen. Nobody will stand for these jerks getting to be the deciding factor.

            If you think that the delegates from the other 48 states are going to sit back and let the 2 states that brazenly broke the rules decide who wins the nomination, you are freaking nuts.  It ain't going to happen.

            These big shots from Fl and MI will get to attend the convention, but they'll end up getting 1/2 votes or they'll be "observers".

            Bush repealed Godwin's Law with a Signing Statement.

            by Mad Kossack on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:13:26 AM PDT

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