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  •  Atheists, like anyone else, need to (6+ / 0-)

    explore their purpose in life, seek guidance on morality, and share ideas with like-minded people. Perhaps they wanted to have something to do while all those other people were busy praying.

    And apparently, they need a support system to deal with overt persecution.

    In 2000, a criminal became President. In 2004, we failed to remove him.
    American Democracy, 1787-2004, RIP

    by davewill on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:46:53 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)
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      Regardless of religious beliefs or lack of them, everybody needs someone to talk to sometimes. There was a time when a chaplain was a counselor, when regardless of the chaplain's personal religion, they were there to aid and support anybody who needed it. That time is past, many chaplains now only provide that kind of support to people of their religion, and if you aren't in their club they try to provide "support" by proselytizing. It's really sad.

      •  Yep... (0+ / 0-)

        ... and that sword cuts two ways. Some people now expect and demand that Chaplains will NOT be inter-faith or religiously neutral, and assume that they are also "washed in the blood" - and I don't mean that in a Mithraist way either!

        This whole thing about Chaplains now being openly partisan is why I just tell people "Look, I'm a Pagan Chaplain... I help people of all faiths, including none, but if you have to have a Christian Chaplain, I'm not for you".

        The ethics of Chaplaincy are that you AREN'T SUPPOSED TO PROSYLETIZE, but to serve the person... it's not about the Chaplain and his/her faith - it's about the person needing/seeking help and support.

        The Gods bless us by giving us what we need and curse us by giving us what we think we need.

        by Hellenic Pagan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:10:35 PM PDT

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    •  atheists are very welcome in the unitarian trad. (3+ / 0-)
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      as are christians, pagans, buddhists and agnostics and more. All these religious viewpoints make up the beloved community of my uu congregation.

      •  Yes, I'm aware of the Unitarian Universalists. (1+ / 0-)
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        I've thought of joining. I alternate between a desire for fellowship and feeling like I'd be donning some sort of "church camouflage". The truth is I'm not in the church going habit, and I just haven't taken the plunge.

        I wonder the UUs well represented in the military. It might be one way for soldiers to get some advocacy and support from a chaplain.

        In 2000, a criminal became President. In 2004, we failed to remove him.
        American Democracy, 1787-2004, RIP

        by davewill on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:08:53 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, but (1+ / 0-)
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        As much love as I have for the UU, having to go through them to become a chaplain, a DFL, etc, still feels a lot like "separate but equal". Atheists should not have to wear a UU hat in order to get equality, as much as it says great things about the UU that they freely give that hat out.

        •  To borrow a Christian term - AMEN! (0+ / 0-)

          Why should I or an Atheist Chaplain have to wear "religious camo"?!?

          Saying that I am UU or anything else to make others more comfortable doesn't let me be who I am... and that is sad. I should be able to say "I am a Hellenic Pagan. I worship the Greek and Roman Gods and Goddesses" without having to stay in the Broom Closet or on the DL.

          We always hear about how the military defends our freedoms, but what the fuck about the RELIGIOUS FREEDOM of the people IN the military? Doesn't that deserve defending?

          The Gods bless us by giving us what we need and curse us by giving us what we think we need.

          by Hellenic Pagan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:14:10 PM PDT

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          •  The Greek gods? Heretic! (1+ / 0-)
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            Everybody knows that a fusion of Norse pantheon and Native American mythic heroes is the only true pagan religion!

            :P (kidding!)

            OEF/OIF vet
            I've been called a left-wing extremist because I absolutely oppose torture. I can live with that.

            by jabbausaf on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:00:07 AM PDT

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