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  •  Do we have an age breakdown? (2+ / 0-)
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    myboo, orangeuglad

    As I've seen it before, Hillary does well among older women but not as well among younger women, who are much more likely to support Obama.

    And in all the Obama campaign activities I've seen here in California, the women outnumber the men by a 2-1 ratio.

    Finally, there IS a big gender gap - and it involves November. Women of all ages and races prefer a Democratic candidate to McCain by huge margins. Hillary's women will support Obama in the fall. I have no doubt of that. And I don't see that anyone is ignoring them.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:31:31 AM PDT

    •  There is indeed a gender gap. (0+ / 0-)

      And moderate Republican women are much more likely to cross over for Hilary than for Obama.  

    •  I am not talking about voting for McCain, (0+ / 0-)

      but staying home.  

      Barack Obama has increased black turnout a lot.  It has always been reliably Democratic, 80-20 or 90-10 but it has been lower in volume.  Historically it has just been okay in the past not great.  I think if she's the nominee that volume will be lower

      The same with women in gerneral as well as a certain segment of women....unmarried women....who are Democratic by a large measure but who also historically have not voted in large numbers.  Her candidacy is bringing them out. If he is the nominee they will stay home because he doesn't talk to them or excite them.  

      My contention about electability is that women are 4 times the percentage of the electorate than are blacks.  Also I do think that black women moved over to Obama later and they will more easily come back to her.

      And it is counterproductive if he's the nominee to accuse people who vote for her as racists.....They won't vote for him if you call them racists....

      •  not this black woman (1+ / 0-)
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        orangeuglad

        She works vigorously to divide what has historically been a pretty strong electorate. She divides latinos from blacks, women from men, whites from blacks, "elites" (anyone who doesn't support her) from working class.

        Black people, men and women, tend not to fall for the old okey-doke more than once.

        •  there is a reason HRC needs help (0+ / 0-)

          writing the gender-equivalent to Obama's speech on race and it is because of her raw opportunism that translates into a lack of sincerity when it comes to "bringing people together." She works furiously to tear them apart.

          Wilson Help Us Write "The Gender Speech"

        •  anecdote is not data (0+ / 0-)

          but your visceral hatred is distressing.

          I am trying to control my own anger which is pretty high....

          You and your candidate have engaged in a campaign consisting of nothing but one character assault after another all based on 1990's right wing talking points.....

          I  reach out by posting here and this is the vituperation I get.

          Every time I return I regret it.   His supporters do him more harm than good

      •  do you have any support (0+ / 0-)

        for the claim you make that Hillary is drawing women to the polls that wouldn't otherwise vote?

      •  There was a good diary on this Friday (0+ / 0-)

        Here, with a lot of good comments, but it was Friday night and so I don't think it got the attention it deserved.

        In fact, that diary and some of the comments in that diary opened my eyes quite a bit about the strength of support Clinton receives from middle-aged women, which I was having trouble understanding, even though I, too, am a middle-aged woman.

        I consider myself a feminist, and I have experienced a lot of gender discrimination and sexual harassment in my life, but I was not choosing a candidate for President based on race or gender, but on who I thought would be the best person for the job.  

        Due to my respect for Obama's intelligence, his broader view of things and his ability to bring disparate groups of people together to find real solutions (among so many other excellent qualities that I see in him), I'm firmly committed to voting for Obama.

        I liked Clinton in the beginning, but now I have developed a lot of distrust for her.  I have disagreed with some of her previous votes in the past, but watching her behavior over the course of this campaign has shown her to be untruthful and to be willing to engage in other distasteful behavior that we normally only attribute or expect from the other party.

        That said, I am glad to finally get why so many women are so deeply committed to her campaign.  I cannot join you in your assesment of her, however, and I will never be able to vote for her.

        I do hope we can all come together in support of the Democratic candidate; but I don't think Clinton has much of a chance now, and I firmly believe she would lose in November to McCain.

        Obama's doing particularly well with one important demographic - voters.

        by orangeuglad on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 10:44:49 AM PDT

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