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  •  I disagree (5+ / 0-)

    using terms like "guilty white liberals" is divisive and dismissive.
    You and the diarist don't know me or what I have done in the women's movement or anywhere else, and I've done a lot.  
    I have no reason to feel guilty about anything and I don't feel guilty.
    So stop it.

    •  What? Who's talking about You? (eom) (0+ / 0-)
    •  Yup (4+ / 0-)
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      It's absolutely disgusting.  

      It's once again minimizing Obama's stunning nomination accomplishment by positing that some percentage of his support is the result of "white guilt."  I've looked for evidence of how I or anyone else of color that I know have actually benefited from this mysterious thing called "white guilt," but truth never stops people who choose to believe that black people get over.

      "...yet condemn you when you say be non-violent towards little brown Vietnamese children" - MLK

      by GN1927 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:31:00 AM PDT

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      •  you're right - it's the race card (1+ / 0-)
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        belittling Obama as an individual and belittling those who voted for him.
        I began with another candidate and really thought about this election. I was impressed that Obama performed well under pressure and met every test and set a positive tone. He's been pounded on by McCain, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton. The MSM has let HRC move the goalposts.

        Right now Obama has to seize the initiative. They are trying to goad him again and he is very restricted because an angry man of color is so threatening. But he has to get control of the narrative.

        •  I think the first step (2+ / 0-)
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          was his demonstration of leadership and looking ahead towards the massive voter registration and participation drives which he is planning for this summer.  Think Freedom Summer sans the terrorists (KKK) and extended throughout the country.

          Now, I think it's kind of on the Democratic party leadership to confront the Clintons.  They really are trashing the party on their way out the door and it's beyond damaging and unseemly.

          But I'm in total agreement that it is going to be crucial that Obama remain on message and not get tempted into getting into it with the Clintons again.

          "...yet condemn you when you say be non-violent towards little brown Vietnamese children" - MLK

          by GN1927 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 11:59:15 AM PDT

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        •  I don't belittle him (0+ / 0-)

          I don't agree with his policies or his poltical stance.

      •  This is not what I meant (0+ / 0-)

        But what do you think one tools of the civil rights movement was...if not white guilt...

        That is always one of the purposes of civil disobedience from Gandhi to Martin Luther engage the oppressor's better nature by making them feel bad about their bad behavior so they try to make changes.

        I think making people feel guilty is a good thing...not a bad thing.   It's Freudian psychobabble that make you respond as though guilt is bad and not a motivator for good.

    •  that was an observation (0+ / 0-)

      lots of liberals are voting for him because it's 2 for 1.  they think he and his vision is good for the vountry ( I don;t) and they get to feel they have done something good.  

      But this was written in response to David Sirota's diary which did indeed imply that people who voted for her were voting agaisnt him and that there was an underlying racial reason.  

      I do think progressives wh are supporting him have not really thought about what he would do....what his policies really are and how much less progressive than are than her.  I think this applies to both women and men.  

      Progressive men I do think are voting for him based on a somewhat on a fear of strong women.(Some support him based on the war...but I don't see any real difference as once again he's copying her stannces)  Lots of women think it is noble to always put others ambitions before their own. I no longer think that, but I did for a long time.

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