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  •  I serioulsy doubt it's ID theft (28+ / 0-)

    For several reasons:

    (1) Why would an ID theft criminal call beforehand? Why not just mail the packets?

    (2) To our knowledge, the mysterious "packets" are never mailed.

    (3) Why use the same person/voice as someone who did similar voter deception calls in Ohio, not related to voter registration packets?

    (4) Timing -- both sets of calls come right before a voter registration deadline.

    Blogging for a Progressive South //

    by ProgressiveSouth on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 08:49:45 AM PDT

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    •  Do we know which African American communities (4+ / 0-)

      are targets of these calls?  I don't know how to say without sounding rude or even racist, but I don't think an identity thief would target African American communities first.  

      Oh man, that was hard to write.  Forgive me if it offends.

      •  I assume you are thinking (8+ / 0-)

        that african american communities are not as affluent as some others, and so the pickings wouldn't be as good.  

        Con artists are known for picking on the elderly, the lower-middle class or poor.  That is because they are safer marks than wealthy people.  If thieves break into the CEO of IBM's mansion, you can bet there will be a team of detectives assigned to the case.  Same thing with an identity theft situation.  But Grandma Perl, living out by herself off of Kill Creek road?  They wouldn't even file a police report.  

        I know someone who had her credit card information stolen and a ton of stuff bought on-line.  The police say they don't even have jurisdiction to investigate her case.

        "YOPP!" --Horton Hears a Who

        by Reepicheep on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:51:11 AM PDT

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    •  To clarify (4+ / 0-)

      Not all calls came before voter registration. But they came before voting, and by receiving the call, the would-be voter is led to think they're not registered. So the timing clearly has the effect of confusing/discouraging voters and dampening turnout.

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      by ProgressiveSouth on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08:07 AM PDT

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    •  Not sure all of those are valid. (0+ / 0-)
      1.  To lend credibility to the mailing.  To verify the person they are duping still lives there and isn't immediately going to call the cops when they get said mailing.
      1.  That lends credence to your claim.
      1.  They are still asking to have information sent back.  I'm not sure why an ID theft ring wouldn't target multiple states.
      1.  If you want people to return info right away without thinking (or showing their adult children, or taking it to a government agency), a really good time to target them would be days before an election.  
      •  WAITAMINUTE (2+ / 0-)
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        If those who receive those calls NEVER receive a "voter packet" maybe they are SUPPOSED to think they are not elgible to vote!

        Maybe THAT's what is supposed to depress voters, eh?

        You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

        by mattman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:19:19 PM PDT

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    •  Must be a group of " Young Republicans, Inc. (2+ / 0-)
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      neroden, Wisteacher

      trying to impress their dark overlord(Rove comes to mind).
      "The Plan" must go something like this.

      First: set in motion a half baked robo-call voter suppression scheme designed to confuse registered voters. Both Democrats and Republicans were confused (the YRI likely used an out-dated list copied from the internet tubes).

      : multi-task. Raise money by playing the scare the shit out of old Republicans trick help fight Liberals card. Include donation card explaining that the robo-call and fake registration packet is a  "Dirty Liberal Trick". The robo-call and packet will reinforce their fear that flag burning pinko communist liberals are hiding under the bed. (note to YRI: for this shit to work remember to print and mail packet. Also asking liberals to give to neocon BS is a waste of time and postage).

      Third: Backup plan. As revenue from the mailing could be quite small must acquire the reluctant donor's ID and run up illegal charges on their credit assist their giving. YRI justification? They won't remember what happened. No money left for food? So??? One meal a week is enough for old people. This is war, a war the Liberals will win unless we get money, lots and lots of other peoples money.

      Behind every bad plan is a bad planer.

      If a man claims to speak for god he will assure he is also gods' banker.

      by AuntieM on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:56:10 PM PDT

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