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  •  really it hasn't been very many (14+ / 0-)

    obstacles he has had to overcome.  It's just the same few over and over.  Mostly the Wright issue.  I respect Obama that he gave the guy the benefit of the doubt at first, but then the guy further disappointed in a grandstanding way.  I respect Obama's judgment to call it quits at that point.  I do not think the lesson is never to give someone the benefit of the doubt.  Many people will live up to your expectations when you give them a chance.  Some won't.  His approach was the hopeful, forgiving, inclusive approach.  That's what I like.  You could start out by being cynical at every turn and end up very alone and bitter.   I feel confident that Obama can be just as inclusive and forgiving of Clinton when the time comes for him to be the nominee.  Hopefully the rest of us can live up to your expectations, kid oakland, and live up to Obama's by being just as forgiving.

    I was wise enough to never grow up while fooling most people into believing I had. - Margaret Mead

    by fayea on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:17:04 PM PDT

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    •  Well there was (18+ / 0-)

      Wright, bittergate, Ayers, Wright part II, Flag pin/patriotism crap, etc.  He is getting a lot thrown at him, but he is responding extremely well to the pressure.

      John McCain: 4 more years of war, economic disaster, inadequate healthcare, and anti-choice supreme court appointments.

      by smash artist on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:19:13 PM PDT

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      •  you're right, a goodly list (15+ / 0-)

        but those things seems so insignificant to me compared to McCain's list:  can't tell who Al Queda is aligned with, can't tell difference between Shia/Suni, voted for torture against his own basic morality, wants to extend tax breaks for rich against his own previous statements, Hagee, doesn't understand economy, 100 or 1000 years in Iraq, Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran,  this list is making me puke into my own mouth.  I know those things are not important to people who are "values voters" (the greatest misnomer of the century).  

        I was wise enough to never grow up while fooling most people into believing I had. - Margaret Mead

        by fayea on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:40:38 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, but the McCain (0+ / 0-)

          list is slathered in barbecue sauce. With a list tasting so good when grilled to perfection, only a select few are allowed to have a go at the heaping platter. The rest of us will never even see the bones, because the select few buried the bones.

          Tang crystals for Obama.

          by Deltones on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:38:46 AM PDT

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      •  Its all of a piece, though (10+ / 0-)

        The things you mention are just various attempts to say the same thing in different ways, "he's not one of us. you can't trust him".

        Sadly for his attackers, that shit doesn't fly because Obama's about as American as a hot dog sticking out of an apple pie served on home plate in a sandlot ballfield in Kansas.

        The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

        by kingubu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:45:19 PM PDT

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        •  That shit may not fly (5+ / 0-)

          but it could stick. Which is why they are doing it.

          Not a Cent to those who won't fight torture.

          by not a cent on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:50:49 PM PDT

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          •  Of course they are going to try (2+ / 0-)
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            But let's not forget that he's now campaigned in, what, 40 of the 50 states? That "BOOO! SCARY OUTSIDER!!!" thing only works if 1) people don't know the candidate and 2) there's a "hook" that makes the charges seem plausible.

            After a year on the trail, #1 is mostly a non-starter. The attacks might've buried Obama if, say, the Wright thing had come before Super Tuesday, and that was the nation's introduction to him. But that wasn't the case (and that's why the Clintons are soooooo pissed, I think. They had the oppo research and knew that if that story broke early he was done. But while they were screaming about "vetting" Obama was winning primary after primary and getting his smiling winner's face in millions of households).

            Will there be some segment that buys the "scary outsider" crap, anyway? Sure. No one gets 100% of the electorate.

            As for #2, he yanked that "hook" out of the wall today with his repudiation of Rev. Wright. Putting aside the details for a minute, it was the expected political thing to do and by doing it the press got their expectations met and can safely move on. The story reduces back to where it was before ABC compiled the sermon clips-- limited to paranoid rantings on RedState and LGF.  

            It'll take a while to heal, but he totally lanced the boil. Anyone dredging up Wright now (or even covering him when he inevitably pops up again) risks a major press backlash.

            The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

            by kingubu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:19:14 PM PDT

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        •  Does it "not fly"? (6+ / 0-)

          Three days ago, I'd have agreed with you.

          But I detect a real, and unfortunate, mood swing over the last few days.

          Just to lay my cards on the table: on the issues, I don't much like either Clinton or Obama.  As political personalities, I can't stand Hillary Clinton but have something of a soft spot for Barack Obama.  

          But the last few days have made me very, very depressed, all over again, not about either of these politicians in particular, but about our entire political process.

          And I suppose I've come to doubt that all the mindless crap that's being flung at Obama isn't flying.

          This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

          by GreenSooner on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:55:01 PM PDT

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          •  There was a potential moment of danger... (2+ / 0-)
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            ... Sunday night and through Monday, no doubt about it.  But the cableweenies got what they wanted and will now move the Hell on.

            I'm sickened by the whole thing, too, but, to the extent that the press influences elections, Obama made himself president today.

            The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

            by kingubu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:23:30 PM PDT

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          •  Interesting conversation (2+ / 0-)
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            I just got off the phone with my brother in Texas. He is informed, but has never been involved politically. This year, he went into the Obama office to get a yard sign, and came out a delegate and involved. He even put a bumper sticker on his car, which he has never done.

            So, today, he says that he can't really even offer any arguments, and that he feels that Obama's unwillingness to fight back reinforces the idea that he is inexperienced, which is most people's complaint.

            After a long conversation, he acknowledged that it is possible to turn this around, but he believes that it will only happen if Obama goes on the offensive. He doesn't live in the bubble that we do, and I think he may be right.

            Being an effective politician and an effective president require different skills. Perhaps diametrically opposed skills. Which could explain why we get such subpar presidents.

            We'll see how it plays out, but I think we need a game changer.

            Not a Cent to those who won't fight torture.

            by not a cent on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:35:53 PM PDT

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          •  mood swings (2+ / 0-)
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            "But I detect a real, and unfortunate, mood swing over the last few days."

            I agree about the mood swing, but-- tonight it seems to be swinging back the other way.  Honestly, I've decided to detach more from the media mood swing business. Works better for me.

        •  Like Obama says, (2+ / 0-)
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          Brit, not a cent

          his story would only be possible in America.

          'Nuff said.

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