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  •  Boy that is a long post for someone not.... (none)
    wanting a lengthy debate.

    One point I disagree with you on is Politics 101.  My opinion is that it is the party's job to educate people on how best to get the party people elected.  I mean it is in their best interest to teach people how help them get elected.  And they do an ok job at that.

    Now, as to lessons about how an individual should get his views represented by the party is another matter all together and at the root of this diary.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 05:24:14 PM PDT

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    •  No kidding!! (none)
      I didn't intend for the post to be so long. I apologize. Typically, I'm a person of few words.

      As far as 'Poltical Activism 101" goes, I'll give you that point. (I thought about it after I responded considering the Dems do have that kind of info on their site).

      One thing I do have experience with is trying to get voices heard on a particular issue that I think the left-leaning powers are either minimizing or ignoring. My political issue is poverty. I've written letters, spoken up on talk radio, e-mailed parties, e-mailed the press, filed a Human Rights Complaint (and won) etc etc. I just keep pushing and I join others who are pushing. I'm planning on writing a book. I am passionate about this issue. I don't expect quick results, but if the parties won't do what is needed, I will do everything I'm capable of to make sure that those I care about are helped by advocating for programs and by publicizing programs. In the meantime, I hold the government's feet to the fire whenever I can.

      The most important thing I can do is to make other people think about poverty by doing something about it myself. I will do what my party won't. That's the sacrifice I make for democracy. If my party doesn't hear me, the citizens around me sure will. That's where it starts.

      •  Why the disconnect? (none)
        The placing in apposition the complaint, "The media sucks!" and "[The media is kicking Kerry's ass?"

        Actually, the latter is an exaggeration.  "Our" criticisms of the media are being heard by the media, and having positive effect.  The other morning, whicle discussing the "forged" Bushit memos story, NPR ("The Connection") discussed the media, how it reports, how it can be improved.  Among the problems discussed: the "he said/she said" false "objectivity," and compared and contrasted it with the proper role of journalism: not stenography (that word wasn't used) but getting to the truth.  That that means not limiting oneself to "he said""she said" but going further: giving the reader/listener/viewer the facts by means of which to make sense of which "he" or "she is telling the truth, and which lying.

        The latter is exactly what we've been demanding.

        And the minimum I demanded of "WoPo"'s Dobbs re. vetting the unnamed "document expert" who happens to be Lines, and thus evaluating the Republican spin she palmed off as expert opinion on something other than Republican't talking points.

        Except for some glaring "he said""she said" spots, the article was pretty good.  The regular criticism should further reduce the former.

      •  Allan Watts? (none)
        That wasn't just about religion -- that was about Zen.
        Everyone is agonizing over the perceived problems with Kerry and his campaign. I have posted this before and I will again (I would cut and paste, but search is disabled): Bush has cast us from the mountaintop into a deep deep valley. We therefore are faced with a difficult journey -- we must somehow return to the top of the mountain. Will a Kerry victory take us all the way to the top of the mountain? Perhaps not. Will we be further on our journey than we are now? Absolutely. That is all that matters, and must be the sole focus of anyone committed to taking back this country -- a Bush victory will make this country the Weimar Republic of the 21st century. We need to learn from the enemy, stop second-guessing our candidate and get out there and fight for every vote. This public whining, wailing, and criticism must stop. Every post here should be a POSITIVE suggestion on how to do better because every expression of doubt is another weapon in the hands of the SCLM. Those with serious issues or disagreements should use the phone or e-mail to express their differences with the Kerry campaign, so that all of us publically present a unified front to the rest of the world. That is what the Republicans do. Has anyone failed to notice how well it works?
        •  I would agree with you if... (none)
          dKos was an organ of the Democratic party.  But it isn't.  It is a community of people, most of which do not want to see Bush reelected, and everyone in this community is entitled to his or her opinion and attitude within limits that the community is hashing out as we go along. (Provided our enlightened host Kos, may he be venerated forever, lets us.)

          I personally am getting tired of the negativity but I find the "lets all just shut up and sing kum by ya" crowd more tiresome.

          If someone has a criticism of how the campaign is going let them say it.  If someone disagrees let them speak, hopefully with factual backup.  But the just shut up and smile crowd bothers me.


          We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

          by delver rootnose on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 09:26:54 PM PDT

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        •  Watts (none)
          Yes, it certainly is Zen. I'm a buddhist and the quote is from one of my favourite books, "The Wisdom of Insecurity".

          Call me a kum-by-ya person (doesn't bother me) but I did a diary entry this evening that, I hope, will actually offer some help and hope to people who are frustrated.

          I know how deadly serious this election outcome is. I'm a mother. I'm a grandmother. I don't want my family to have to live in fear daily while this 'coalition of the killing' is eliminating thousands of people in Iraq. I don't want to hear about even one more coalition casualty. What are they dying for? Tell me Bush! What are they dying for?

          Like I've said before - I cannot operate on anger. I see things differently from some of you. I'm an idealist but I'm also a realist. I'll do my bit my way and you do your bit your way. But, please! Let's not kill each other while we're trying to accomplish the same goal.

          That's all.

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