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    Sometimes I do make a recomended list here, and Diary Rescue at Daily Kos has given many a diary of mine a second life.

    My hero, Charles Darwin, was fond of noting how persistent, slow progress can effect revolutionary changes over time.

    I wonder if he would say the same in the era of nuclear and biological/chemical weaponry.

    The failure to progress in nature is... extinction.

    War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

    by Valtin on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:57:50 PM PDT

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      Warmest thanks again, Valtin, for these unsconcionable dark truths.

      Among my acquaintances are many exceptional clinician APA members, among whom I believe only a small fraction can be familiar with the institution's position on torture, much less its willing complicity to pursue and avidly extend the reach of the basest sort of illegal activities.

      As it was for you, the APA is their mainstay professional organization. The massive scale of the group itself not only helps hide corruption, it makes it nearly impossible to identify and correct these poisonous situations.

      If Dr. Reisner's efforts cannot succeed, then what?

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        If Dr. Reisner's efforts cannot succeed, then what?

        There are those in APA who say if things don't turn around by the next convention/election, they will leave APA. My belief is that a decent showing by Reisner will invigorate the internal opposition, and who knows, he could win (though odds are probably against him). My analytical self says that the institutional apparaturs of the APA is already too entwined with the national security/military sectors of the government for real change to occur. What change will happen will be, despite the actions of those within APA to change things (and they should be applauded for that), because of larger changes in the body politic, which APA will tail.

        Back when the revelations about MKULTRA took place -- the era of the Church and Pike committees -- APA even had critical articles about psychologist participation in unethical experiments. Now, it's horatory rhetoric about the military, and no mention of the past. The APA has changed with the times, and like the times, not in a good way.

        War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

        by Valtin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:35:54 AM PDT

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        •  You've analyzed the situation along lines (1+ / 0-)
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          similar to those I was considering. Reisner would have heavy sailing were he to come through strongly; the government must feel it has a right if not an obligation to control what it has bought. Much may depend on whether an effective investigation of the legality and pursuit of torture itself - and of those complicit in every step of this dark descent - can be carried out, and right now it's hard to have more than a faint hope of that.

          Otherwise, if those who are now the APA's conscience leave, seems like they'd need to then create a new major group to be able to contend, as a group, with APA. And that would be almost unprecedented.

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