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  •  J F Kennedy on being a War Hero. (5+ / 0-)
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    When I think of McCain being treated like a war hero, I can't help but think of JFK's comment when asked how he got to be one: "It was entirely involutnary. They sank my ship."

    That McCain's plane was shot down may make us think better of him as a person, but it doesn't speak to his qualifications (or lack thereof) to be President of the United States.

    Overturn Bush v. Gore II, Impeach the R. A. T. S.

    by Judge Moonbox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:19:41 PM PDT

    •  He may not even have been qualified to fly (3+ / 0-)
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      How does the bottom of the class at Annapolis get picked for flight school?  Just like W, it was who his daddy was rather than who he was.

      •  Grant was near the bottom of his class (0+ / 0-)

        at West Point, but he was a darn good general, but not much of a president.

        "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars." William Jennings Bryan

        by Navy Vet Terp on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:33:26 PM PDT

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        •  Im too young to know how it was in Viet Nam, but (1+ / 0-)
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          my experience is the first choice of graduates is Air, then Sub, then surface.  He jumped alot of people to get there right after Annapolis..  Grant worked his way up.

        •  Grant had to start over from scratch. (1+ / 0-)
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          I can't recall the specifics on why Grant left the Army after the Mexican War--he was held responsible for a payroll theft happening on his watch, but I don't know if he was sacked immediately or his career went downhill before he left.

          He had to regain the respect of his brother officers step by step, beginning with his work organizing incoming units in the early days of the Civil War.

          As for Grant's Presidency, I won't alibi the corruption, but otherwise, he's been disparaged by the mugwumps who didn't want to hold onto the gains of Reconstruction; and that has given us a seriously distorted impression of him.

          Overturn Bush v. Gore II, Impeach the R. A. T. S.

          by Judge Moonbox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:49:35 PM PDT

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      •  regardless of how he got to be a pilot, (0+ / 0-)

        the man was imprisoned and tortured for five and a half years. For that reason, it's political suicide to criticize any aspect of McCain's service.

        What's more, the man is so inconsistent and so wrong on so many issues, why do we need to go there?

        •  critiquing selected fabrications (?) (0+ / 0-)

          that tell us the story of a persons life is not the same thing as criticism

          "There is no limit to what you can do if you have the power to change the rules." -Josh Marshall

          by grollen on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:29:21 AM PDT

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        •  Not Political Suicide considering (1+ / 0-)
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          he voted against restrictions on torture and has voted down expanding veterans benefits 10 times since the war began.  

          He's learned nothing from his time in captivity or his time in the military.  Everytime McCain brings up his military record he should be reminded that he supports torture and is against veterans.

        •  There is a great reason. (0+ / 0-)

          McCain is running on that record.  His party is the one that did the smear of Max Cleland, and I don't remember him denouncing that travesty.
          Bush and his cronies made John Kerry look like a wimp, when it was Kerry that volunteered for combat when he could have spent his days safely at sea.  I dont remember any effort to shut down the swiftboat liars.
          Give no quarter to your enemy, none.

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